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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by pretendscholar »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #81
pretendscholar wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most annoying things about speaking the dominant world language (obviously it is also great in many respects) is that there is some pressure to change your language rather than just adjusting the sounds and spelling to the pre-existing phonetics. Erdogan is pronounced closer to erdoyan and Türkiye insisting on the umlaut. Nguyen and Pho rather than wynn and pha. Gyro instead of hyro. Blonde vs blond (WHY w…

I mean part of it is we don't really have a central language authority so when immigrants try to transliterate a word from their language, they go with their best guess based on what letters they understand to be equivalent, and sometimes they get it a little wrong, but by the time anyone realizes a convention has been set and it's incredibly hard to shift conventions. It also feels very silly to change the spelling…

They don’t actually share an alphabet if the letters don’t correspond to the same sounds.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by netsharc »

jasode wrote: post #65
mrob wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why do China and Korea get to change English naming conventions? What makes Japan an exception?

>But why do China and Korea get to change English naming conventions? Americans are exposed to Chinese names in both orderings of "Familyname Firstname" and "Firstname Familyname": - "Familyname Firstname" ordering : actor Chow Yun-fat, and basketball player Yao Ming - "Firstname Familyname" ordering: actor Simu Liu, pianist Yuja Wang, and Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma.

Looking at Wikipedia, Jack isn't part of Ma's birth name, so I suppose his is a name like "Tom Cruise".

Same with Jackie Chan.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by 1123581321 »

julianeon wrote: post #181
dieselgate wrote: post #76

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Not getting into politics at all but I imagine it'd be utter chaos if anything similar were to happen to Trump, that's an interesting perspective to hear though.

This comment made me realize that when Trump passes there will 100% be a conspiracy about it, no matter the cause. For the average American man who is Trump's age (77) the chance of dying in that same year is about 5%, according to the Social Security Administration's Actuarial Life Table. This is a stat which only goes in one direction - up - over time. It's at 6.5% at 80, 18% at 90, and a sobering 38% at 100.

Show me a centenarian who felt giddily immortal before learning her chances to die. :)

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by alephnan »

abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

> a lot of of people that didn't like him.

I’m presuming you held this conversation in English, which is correlated with a Japanese person who has more worldly experiences and views, and with that diverges from mainstream Japanese society.

Most of Japan is conservative and inward looking. Despite the second strong passport in the world, very low percentage of Japanese people have one. Japan also has the lowest TOEFL score out of all Asian countries.

Most gripes toward Abe was from economic frustration, especially during COVID. It does not make sense at all to make a Trump comparison because the American left/right Ideology does not map. Japanese people are mostly homogenous, and identity politics and immigration which are dividing issues in the west are not at the top here. Japan also has very low voter turnout because it’s continuity of conservatism whichever way.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

defen wrote: post #190
BlueTemplar wrote: post #115

> A third son, Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon, founded a separate, gun-centered church in Pennsylvania known as Rod of Iron Ministries, where followers do target practice with AR-15s and bring guns to church to be blessed. Hyung Jin wears a golden crown made of rifle shells, and delivers hate-filled sermons against the Democratic Party. He also expects to become the king of America. He reviles his mother—who runs the internat…

Another son (Justin) owns a small arms manufacturer (Kahr Arms)

Thats an industrious family.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

bombcar wrote: post #163
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #108

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This is a separate issue from the previous Cloudflare issue and it manifests differently. Getting Captcha'd happens with non-cloudflare resolvers as well, tho not universally nor consistently. I forced all of Archive domains to query against Quad9 and started getting unskipable Captchas months ago - when I was local(US). When I placeshifted to overseas, Quad9 resolved to different IPs and those were usable.

The technical reasons behind it are that the archive.today guy wants any takedown notices to be cross-border, so he wants to know what country you are in so he can redirect you to a server outside it. Cloudflare doesn't support a DNS extension that allows this (eDNS maybe?) and so it fails.

Captcha pages are being served at IPs that don't come from CloudFlare. ex: Users who exclusively resolve thru Quad9 are getting Captcha pages.

Any inference that the Captcha issue is limited to CloudFlare users is incorrect.

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Post by qingcharles »

abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

Off-topic, but 1Q84 is a great book.

"Put a tiger in your tank!"

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by ehnto »

pretendscholar wrote: post #56
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #16

Meta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...

One of the most annoying things about speaking the dominant world language (obviously it is also great in many respects) is that there is some pressure to change your language rather than just adjusting the sounds and spelling to the pre-existing phonetics. Erdogan is pronounced closer to erdoyan and Türkiye insisting on the umlaut. Nguyen and Pho rather than wynn and pha. Gyro instead of hyro. Blonde vs blond (WHY w…

You might find Japanese interesting, they invented a whole alphabet for loan words, and Japanese doesn't always have the phonetic range to pronounce things as it would sound in the language it was loaned from, and they also make certain aesthetic decisions when loaning it. You COULD say Smart Phone as Sumarto Fuon or a few different ways, but it is Sma Ho in Japan, because that's just ehat caught on when it was introduced. Probably by a marketing campaign for that word in particular.

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Post by lmz »

makeitdouble wrote: post #48
nihonthrowaway wrote: post #28

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As someone who speaks Japanese to be polite, and will dutifully follow all honorifics while in Japan: Japan doesn't get to change English naming conventions in English speaking cultures and civilizations.

The language/country norm is kinda irrelevant. In Japan John Lennon is not referred to as ”Lennon John”, nor is Miyamoto Musashi referred as "Musashi Miyamoto" in English. For famous names, outside of official dpcuments people will use whatever names feels right to them and I personally think that should be fine as long as the name is recognized.

> In Japan John Lennon is not referred to as ”Lennon John”

Maybe not in Japan, but this is how some banks address me in the Asian country I live in.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by abecode »

alephnan wrote: post #204
abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

> a lot of of people that didn't like him. I’m presuming you held this conversation in English, which is correlated with a Japanese person who has more worldly experiences and views, and with that diverges from mainstream Japanese society. Most of Japan is conservative and inward looking. Despite the second strong passport in the world, very low percentage of Japanese people have one. Japan also has the lowest TOEFL…

yes, you presumed correct, it was a guy who had studied in the US.
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