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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by notacoward »

The author is claiming way more (and worse) than they can actually back up. Different EVs actually get different percentages of their nominal mileage, and then respond differently to cold weather. I like this one for range under semi-optimal conditions.

https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

Here's some "winter effect" info for different models.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss

I'd take that second one with a little grain of salt, though. I know that my 2022 Nissan Leaf SV+ gets more than the 175 miles they claim for summer (as long as I keep my speed down which is another factor OP seems to ignore). Haven't really given it a real winter workout, but I'd expect that number to be a bit higher than that table's 125 too. That's a very far cry from OP's claim of only ~110 miles.

Some might try to dismiss that as anecdata, but so is OP. Claims based on their one empirical observation, failing to account for known confounders and clearly wrong for a second sample, are kind of worthless. I'm not trying to propose any grand theory like they are. Find out the right numbers for your vehicle, routes, temperatures, and driving style.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by landemva »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #192
falcolas wrote: post #174

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It can be turned off, and there's very little visual indication that this has happened. The feature bugs some drivers, so if you have a second driver, they could have easily done it.

I've toggled it many times to no avail.

Sometimes dealer updates change settings. I saw a Subaru change behavior with lane departure warnings after an oil change.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by cwalv »

bluGill wrote: post #98
gambiting wrote: post #72

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You don't need to have the one pedal driving enabled to reap the benefits. In all EVs and PHEVs you brake with the electric motors first even when using the actual pedal - normal brakes are engaged only past a certain threshold. Also to give a personal anecdote, in my Volvo XC60 PHEV, I've just had the inspection done and after 24k miles the brake pads are 5% worn. That's insane for a 2.2 tonne SUV with 400bhp. If it…

While EVs do use less brakes than ICE, they still should last a lot longer than you give them credit for. Of course it's depends on how you drive, but if you are not getting 100k miles out of your brakes the problem is not the car but the driver.

> if you are not getting 100k miles out of your brakes the problem is not the car but the driver.

This is just false. If you get 100k in your non-EV before having to replace at least your front brake pads, you must be racking up highway miles.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by [deleted] »

JimtheCoder wrote: post #124
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #114

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> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…

Personally, my time in my car is some of the only pure "me" time I have, and I would hazard a guess that it is the same for many others. A car to me is a personal, climate controlled cocoon, where I can turn on whatever music I want, have a coffee or a snack, and escape for the 30 minutes or however long it takes to reach my destination...without the chance of being bothered by anyone else, much less any of the other…

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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by landemva »

sagarm wrote: post #195
generalizations wrote: post #187

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> Societies don't need to ask citizens to choose a given mean of transport; they can route their choices them by making some means more convenient and other ones less. I'm reading that as, "we don't need to ask , we can just make them do it." Which to me is pretty arrogant.

Society has made the choice so far to make owning a car as convenient and inexpensive as possible, while allocating almost no resources to other options. And no, usage fees including gas taxes don't cover the cost of roads -- let alone the land usage, externalities, and supporting infrastructure like drainage.

> Society has made

Big eu cities are expensive to park cars. Not inexpensive. Some cities such as Stockholm are banning commuter cars.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by otikik »

JimtheCoder wrote: post #124
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…

Personally, my time in my car is some of the only pure "me" time I have, and I would hazard a guess that it is the same for many others. A car to me is a personal, climate controlled cocoon, where I can turn on whatever music I want, have a coffee or a snack, and escape for the 30 minutes or however long it takes to reach my destination...without the chance of being bothered by anyone else, much less any of the other…

> without the chance of being bothered by anyone else

They can still crash into you. Belligerance also exist behind the wheel, and it can can kill you.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by dahfizz »

amelius wrote: post #165
dahfizz wrote: post #122

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Yeah, that's my point. A single garbage truck is going to do more wear on the roads than thousands of passenger vehicles. Anything besides industrial vehicles is negligible.

A garbage truck has many tires to distribute the load. Also they accelerate/decelerate differently.

Per OP's report, what matters is axle load.

A typical garbage truck has 2 or 3 axles. Let's assume 3 to be conservative. A fully loaded garbage truck weighs around 50,000 pounds. That's 16.6k pounds per axle, vs a Tesla Y's 2.2k pounds per axle.

Doing the math, a single garbage truck does as much road wear as ~3,300 teslas.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by lancewiggs »

JimtheCoder wrote: post #124
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…

Personally, my time in my car is some of the only pure "me" time I have, and I would hazard a guess that it is the same for many others. A car to me is a personal, climate controlled cocoon, where I can turn on whatever music I want, have a coffee or a snack, and escape for the 30 minutes or however long it takes to reach my destination...without the chance of being bothered by anyone else, much less any of the other…

However this personal decision comes at a tremendous cost to the rest of society, and we are not pricing that correctly.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by yellowapple »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #114
michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…

Not to mention that public transport doesn't go everywhere. Even places with healthy and robust public transit networks only reach a subset of a metro area, and only a subset of that has routes that stop with acceptable frequency.

I think the answer lies in things like e-bikes, mopeds, and motorcycles. Rail as a high-speed backbone and an e-bike for last-mile sounds close to ideal - especially if I can charge the bike while on the train. Bike lanes ought to be the rule rather than the exception. Bike racks and moped/motorcycle parking spaces (ideally - again - with outlets for charging batteries) could and should be ubiquitous.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

gambiting wrote: post #36
lelanthran wrote: post #19

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> That would be an extremely unusual commute to be doing by car in Europe, people do it but it's very rare. If you're going to be covering over 1000km a week(!!!!) Then get a good diesel, not a brand new EX90. Aren't they in the middle of outlawing them?

There's no talk of outlawing any vehicles people already own. You won't be able to buy a brand new one in a decade, but there's no indication you won't be able to use one you already own.

Company cars in Belgium starting from this year have to be phev or ev. No more diesel or gasoline.
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