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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by ceejayoz » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

lelanthran wrote: post #19

gambiting wrote: post #2

So you deliberately don't charge the battery to 100% then conclude the realistic range is shorter than advertised? I get you don't charge to 100% every day, but if you know you're going to drive further then....you do. Or just do what I do and charge to max each time, the battery is warrantied for 8 years, it's going to be fine. >>Imagine your daily commute is 115 km (e.g. Roeselare-Brussel That would be an extremely…

> That would be an extremely unusual commute to be doing by car in Europe, people do it but it's very rare. If you're going to be covering over 1000km a week(!!!!) Then get a good diesel, not a brand new EX90. Aren't they in the middle of outlawing them?

More than a decade from now, and that’s assuming the EV market continues to advance the technology as much as is predicted.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by michaelteter » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable).

But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic.

The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance (or eliminate it as often as possible), and to build/use efficient mass transit systems.

So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy - with diminishing returns. At some point it's time to step back and rethink the greater system. (I believe that point was 20+ years ago, when it became clear that cities would continue to become the population growth centers.)

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by ceejayoz » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

lelanthran wrote: post #22

dheera wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do Americans care so much about resale instead of just using the stuff you bought? If I ever buy a house it'll be to actually live life in it, not to nickel-and-dime some poor college student.

> Why do Americans care so much about resale instead of just using the stuff you bought? I expect that you throw your old car away whenever you get a new one?

Many of us do, yes. Drive it until it’s primary worth is scrap.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by monsieurbanana » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #27

limitedsupply wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP and drive a Tesla. Charging stations are pretty large at least where I live. 10–15 chargers minimum and the Tesla nav system tells you in advance how many are available to use.

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Your car breaks. What. Do. You Do.

The guy replying to you said it's a pretty unlikely situation, so you treat it the same as other unlikely, but always present, issues that your car might have. You accept his answer.

Or you don't, and argue with him and say that you think he's wrong and it's going to happen too often, that's a fine reply too.

Adding more punctuation doesn't help.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by gambiting » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

richwater wrote: post #6

gambiting wrote: post #2

So you deliberately don't charge the battery to 100% then conclude the realistic range is shorter than advertised? I get you don't charge to 100% every day, but if you know you're going to drive further then....you do. Or just do what I do and charge to max each time, the battery is warrantied for 8 years, it's going to be fine. >>Imagine your daily commute is 115 km (e.g. Roeselare-Brussel That would be an extremely…

That's a fantastic way to crater your cars resale value.

How so, exactly? There's no way for anyone to check how much a battery was charged regularly, just like there's no way to check if a car was only used to drive to church once a week or driven like a hooligan hitting redline all the time - I'm not suggesting fraud of course, far from it - just that buyers have to assume the worst possible use case, and if so I don't see how actually regularly charging the battery to max affects the resale value at all. Besides, I don't expect the resale value to be very high after 8 years(realistically more) anyway.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by gambiting » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:36 PM UTC

lelanthran wrote: post #19

gambiting wrote: post #2

So you deliberately don't charge the battery to 100% then conclude the realistic range is shorter than advertised? I get you don't charge to 100% every day, but if you know you're going to drive further then....you do. Or just do what I do and charge to max each time, the battery is warrantied for 8 years, it's going to be fine. >>Imagine your daily commute is 115 km (e.g. Roeselare-Brussel That would be an extremely…

> That would be an extremely unusual commute to be doing by car in Europe, people do it but it's very rare. If you're going to be covering over 1000km a week(!!!!) Then get a good diesel, not a brand new EX90. Aren't they in the middle of outlawing them?

There's no talk of outlawing any vehicles people already own. You won't be able to buy a brand new one in a decade, but there's no indication you won't be able to use one you already own.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by Tade0 » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:38 PM UTC

michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

> That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road

I hear this a lot, but how much pollution is it really? It surely doesn't register on any municipal particulate measurement station.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by ogzk » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:38 PM UTC

michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by ceejayoz » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:38 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #27

limitedsupply wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP and drive a Tesla. Charging stations are pretty large at least where I live. 10–15 chargers minimum and the Tesla nav system tells you in advance how many are available to use.

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How is there a queue for a broken charger?

6% is likely enough to get you to another charging site, or a regular outlet for a slower charge. I’d expect AAA-style roadside assistance to deal with these scenarios in the near future, as well.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by toast0 » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:38 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #27

limitedsupply wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP and drive a Tesla. Charging stations are pretty large at least where I live. 10–15 chargers minimum and the Tesla nav system tells you in advance how many are available to use.

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I mean, you can't walk to the nearest working charger with a gas can, but if you have your level 1 charger with you, you can probably find an outlet nearby. Utility electricity is nearly ubiquitous along highways. Any sort of building near a highway is bound to have electric service; the question is if you can convince the occupants to let you charge for a couple hours.

If there's a big queue, you just wait. Same as if there's a big queue at the fueling station.