The context here is that the engineer in question challenged Musk's (public) claims about why Twitter is so slow (there's followup tweets in the thread with more detail): https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919022854034186... So Musk then fired him with a Tweet: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849
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#202After seeing Elon mixing up all async services that happen in backend with Android client making as many requests, I wonder if I thought this guy is smart because I know nothing about building cars or launching space rockets. Edit: "guy is smart" probably should be "guy is technically competent". I am sure Elon is smart, I think he is being Phony while acting technically competent in every area.
he doesn't need to be smart, if you are building something yourself, then you should be smart about that stuff, but if you are managing people to build, then it is enough if you can manage the execution well (including hiring, funding and everything else)
Being a good manager doesn't give you license to be an asshole, at least not to this raging degree. He fired half of Twitters employees and is trashing their work with technically incorrect hot-takes that he posts in public. Then he fires anyone who dares to correct his bullshit? That's someone who has been rich for WAY too long.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, actions have consequences but he has not prevented her from saying what she wanted to say.
"No, actions have consequences" Literally the exact thing Elon Musks complains about except it's when someone on his side of the culture war that becomes a victim.
Hurr durr Elon bad all you want, getting fired for telling your boss to ‘kiss my ass’ is not cancel culture and neither is continuing to host that message.
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Of course she’s receiving generous offers from the ‘hurr durr Elon bad’ crowd. The career limitation is that most people just aren’t in that crowd. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re licking Elons boots, it could also mean they don’t care at all or that they are somewhere in the middle. I’m not in a hiring position but if I were I’d avoid her because I don’t want to import drama into my environment.
If you were my hiring director and turned down an exceptional candidate because they stood up for their team, you’d be the one getting fired.
Telling your boss to ‘kiss my ass’ is not standing up for your team, it’s perfectly normal grounds to get fired. But be sure to hire her if you think that behavior is normal, it’s a free world.
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#206The free speech absolutist. SpaceX is also now buying ads on Twitter, in something close to a direct cash transfer from the other minority investors in SpaceX to a business owned on leverage.
The other problematic aspect is that the customers of SpaceX (which probably don't pick launch providers from Twitter ads) include the US govt, so it's essentially a transfer of taxpayer money to Twitter.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
"No, actions have consequences" Literally the exact thing Elon Musks complains about except it's when someone on his side of the culture war that becomes a victim.
Hurr durr Elon bad all you want, getting fired for telling your boss to ‘kiss my ass’ is not cancel culture and neither is continuing to host that message.
It's literally exactly what the right, and the rest of the twitter free speechistas, consider cancel culture.
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Are people ok with a CEO treating their workers like this? Firing them via email or tweet? It's repulsive behavior that should be called out.
According to some people here you're just supposed to take it when your boss shits on your work and firing you for any push back at all is entirely justified.
No, you don’t have to “take it”. You could always just resign…and then comment on Twitter and frankly everywhere else about how wrong and how much of an asshole that Elon was yada yada yada…but I wam not exactly sure in which parallel universe people live in to think that publicly calling out your boss (who is known to be a little quick on the trigger already) should have zero consequences to you.
Pretty much seems to be a universally bad idea no matter who your boss is, but if your boss is Elon Musk…there is literally no other outcome to that action. He damn sure isn’t going to thank you for setting him straight and promote you.
This dude had to know and expect these consequences and this was an intentional publicity grab/hero syndrome deal. If not, he is just a moron (which kind of underscores Elon’s POV to be honest).
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#209I wonder how soon Twitter will have to crank the compensation up because no one wants to work there.
Unlikely. Elon's MO for all of his companies is to find the "true believer" types and work them to death for pennies. It's much harder to do in software when one can simply walk across the street and get a better job, but I'm sure there are still enough of them to keep Twitter running because they worship whatever he is spouting.
> It's much harder to do in software when one can simply walk across the street and get a better job
That may have been the case six months ago, but those “better jobs” are drying up and there is now I think around 20k recently released FAANG level SWEs walking around without gigs. Once the severance payout is gone and the COBRA starts demanding $1500/mo…there will be all sorts of SWEs willing to stretch their anti-Elon morality for a decent paycheck again.
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#210I'm surprised at the number of people defending Elon here, how would you feel if your CEO literally shit on your work in public to millions of people and not only that was completely totally wrong about it. Like I'm not surprised that they got fired because Elon behaves like a toddler but god damn if your response isn't to salute two people who got axed for speaking the truth then you have your priorities ass backwar…
I would not equate suggesting that there is an absurdity about having the opinion that publicly shitting on your CEO (any CEO at any company) should not get you fired with defending Elon.