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Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by jcpst »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #59
summerlight wrote: post #23

Looks like Elon tries to act like a chief architect of Twitter[1] even though he still seems to confuse that 1000 RPCs are serially sent[2] from the app[3]? Why don't we do a public technical design interview session for Elon to see if he is technically competent enough for architecting one of the most famous social network? :sigh: [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592177471654604800 [2] https://twitter.com/el…

Related to this discussion, Elon made a tweet saying there are over 1200 microservices. Are there any tech talks or explanation videos showing a rough outline of what all these microservices do or how they're broken up? It's difficult to wrap my head around that amount.

At my work, we have a system about that large. We have about 50 or so capabilities/domains. Some of the bigger ones, like Orders or Quoting have 100s of services. Some may only have a few dozen.

Many of these capabilities have their own “gateway” that defines an API for inter-capability communication.

Many of the modern features rely heavily on async messages and consumers that process those messages and events.

Some of these capabilities already existed as modules in a monolith desktop application from the 90s that has 1000s of “screens”.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

#92

Post by paxys »

bottlepalm wrote: post #64
paxys wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon literally just said that bankruptcy is a possibility for twitter in the near future. What are these RSUs going to be worth exactly? And how are they going to cash them out?

You can google and see Elon sends the motivational 'bankruptcy' email to all his companies every so often.

Twitter's financial situation is mostly public, so no one needs to speculate. Here's one good analysis – https://twitter.com/EnergyCredit1/status/1591873061149614106.

Twitter was already losing hundreds of millions per year. They now have another $1.2-1.5 billion per year due in loan payments. Interest rates are rising. Advertising revenue is going down due to the recession and companies cutting Twitter spend due to the toxicity. And his big new subscription idea is already on hold due to impersonation and scams. If employees can see a way out of this, they must really be believers.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by philistine »

layer8 wrote: post #81
paxys wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The drama is literally the only reason I'm on Twitter right now. Better than any TV show. The moment things get back to "normal" I'm deleting the app.

Now I finally understand Elon's secret strategy to keep Twitter engagement up.

Yeah but his cardinal sin right now is forgetting that advertisers are small-c conservative. They despise uncertainty and drama, and have wisely fled Twitter for the time being.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by m_ke »

albinofrenchy wrote: post #70
m_ke wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm starting to believe he decided it made more sense to mark down the investment to 0 and use the losses against his income for the next few years instead to pay the fine for pulling out of the deal.

Why would this ever be a smart move? Afaik he couldnt realistically dodge more taxes than he lit on fire at Twitter.

He created a new holding company (X Holdings) for this acquisition that will also be a parent company to Tesla and Space X (see https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-21/musk-form...). So he'll be able to carry forward all of the losses against his income from other businesses.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by metadat »

dragonwriter wrote: post #57
tuyguntn wrote: post #41

I feel like engineers behaved like a jerk in this case. Maybe Elon's tweet about 1000 RPC calls were wrong, but they could politely point it out, try to help to the company by joining internal discussions about what's going on. But no, instead they started attacking the current owner of company publicly (good or bad, doesn't matter, he is now owner of company, if you don't like it just resign professionally).

> try to help to the company by joining internal discussions about what's going on Its been widely reported that internal communication is ineffective since the takeover, even before the mass firings which drove the expectations to managers have a expected span of 20 professional direct reports (exceeded wildly in some cases) and expected to also be actively coding themselves. Musk could deal with that breakdown that…

The new ratio is actually 70 engineers per EM.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

#96

Post by hn2017 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #59
summerlight wrote: post #23

Looks like Elon tries to act like a chief architect of Twitter[1] even though he still seems to confuse that 1000 RPCs are serially sent[2] from the app[3]? Why don't we do a public technical design interview session for Elon to see if he is technically competent enough for architecting one of the most famous social network? :sigh: [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592177471654604800 [2] https://twitter.com/el…

Related to this discussion, Elon made a tweet saying there are over 1200 microservices. Are there any tech talks or explanation videos showing a rough outline of what all these microservices do or how they're broken up? It's difficult to wrap my head around that amount.

It's not that large. Some other engineer mentioned it's much less than that. Don't believe everything Elon says.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by hn2017 »

jsnell wrote: post #54

The context here is that the engineer in question challenged Musk's (public) claims about why Twitter is so slow (there's followup tweets in the thread with more detail): https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919022854034186... So Musk then fired him with a Tweet: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849

Are people ok with a CEO treating their workers like this? Firing them via email or tweet? It's repulsive behavior that should be called out.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by nimchimpsky »

tuyguntn wrote: post #41

I feel like engineers behaved like a jerk in this case. Maybe Elon's tweet about 1000 RPC calls were wrong, but they could politely point it out, try to help to the company by joining internal discussions about what's going on. But no, instead they started attacking the current owner of company publicly (good or bad, doesn't matter, he is now owner of company, if you don't like it just resign professionally).

No post body was provided.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by rodgerd »

Spivak wrote: post #58

I'm surprised at the number of people defending Elon here, how would you feel if your CEO literally shit on your work in public to millions of people and not only that was completely totally wrong about it. Like I'm not surprised that they got fired because Elon behaves like a toddler but god damn if your response isn't to salute two people who got axed for speaking the truth then you have your priorities ass backwar…

This is a web site originally set up by some of Elon's cronies for people to "pick me!" into jobs. It's hardly surprising that there's no shortage of bootlickers.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by jsjohnst »

divided wrote: post #74
KptMarchewa wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no "fine for pulling out of the deal".

Where have you been? I think you may be uninformed on this. Here's some details: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/26/technology/twitter-musk-b... . Later when Elon sought to pull out of the deal, Twitter threatened to go to court to enforce that $1B fee, which led to the buyout proceeding.

> Where have you been? I think you may be uninformed on this.

I think you are victim to reading headlines and not understanding what Twitter went to court over. Elon paying the $1B wouldn’t have gotten him out of having to complete the deal.

Here’s some details: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/elon-musk-cant-just-walk-awa...

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