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Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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Re: Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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Wouldn't it be awful if unbridled capitalism turns out to be mankind's Great Filter? We'll be licky to become a Type I civilization after poisoning ourselves and the environment through exposure to chemicals and conditions we do not fully comprehend in return of some convenience, cheaper goods and making some a little richer.

Pollution is bad. Pollution occurs in non-capitalist societies too. It's often much worse. Chernobyl-levels of incompetent and indifference towards environmental protection. Non-capitalist societies also do things like concentration camps and genocides and world wars and famines which don't seem to emerge as frequently in capitalist societies. Don't blame capitalism.

Assuming everything you claim on the overall superiority of capitalism is correct, that doesn't still doesn't make it perfect. I am merely pointing out one of the imperfections - an unoriginal one at that: unbridled capitalism[1] does not correctly factor externalized costs, up to, and including mankind's long-term survival.

1. The "unbridled" qualification is deliberate, and very different from what I'm guessing is your idealized version.

Re: Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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Well, what isn’t a carcinogen? That word gets thrown around way too much — most food items we regularly eat contains several carcinogens, but besides increasing the statistical chance of cancer they are not imminently dangerous without further clarification on the metric of the effect.

Yep, I recently found out that drinking very hot tea or coffee can be carcinogenic. This is the only way that I like to drink these beverages.

Due to the containers

Re: Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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Yeah, especially young people do have it bad. One interesting thing is that as society becomes more and more feminist, it's the young women who fare the worst, and especially the demographics most likely to be intersectional activists. Maybe not all ideologies are good for us? At a quick glance, a lot of the intersectional feminist/activist modes of thought seem to be the polar opposites of what eg. cognitive behavio…

CBT is not effective for lessening mental health symptoms. See e.g. https://doi.org/10.1192/bjp.bp.116.187773 >the difference between CBT and pill placebo was a standardised mean difference of –0.22 The effect measured in this meta-analysis is a less than two point drop on a 52 point scale (Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression). That is not clinically significant.

From the study you linked:

> Our study has limitations. First, detection of an interaction effect requires a large sample size. The present findings require replication with a larger sample of trials designed to test the interaction. The trials from which the data were extracted were not designed to test this hypothesis, but do provide a ‘first look’ into this question using all available data. Given the wide confidence interval around zero for the interaction coefficient in the present study, it is possible that our finding represents a type II error. Although none of the sensitivity analyses were suggestive of possible interaction effects, future studies may nonetheless still reveal an interaction that we failed to detect in the data available to us...

I'd be very cautious about saying "CBT is not effective for lessening mental health symptoms" due to a single study. From the American Psychological Association [1]:

> Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is a form of psychological treatment that has been demonstrated to be effective for a range of problems including depression, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug use problems, marital problems, eating disorders, and severe mental illness. Numerous research studies suggest that CBT leads to significant improvement in functioning and quality of life. In many studies, CBT has been demonstrated to be as effective as, or more effective than, other forms of psychological therapy or psychiatric medications.

From the NHS [2]:

> Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) can be as effective as medicine in treating some mental health problems, but it may not be successful or suitable for everyone.

From the Cleveland Clinic [3]:

> Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is a structured, goal-oriented type of psychotherapy (talk therapy). Mental health professionals, including psychologists, therapists and counselors, use it to treat or manage mental health conditions and emotional concerns. It’s one of the most common and best-studied forms of psychotherapy.

I'm not at all suggesting that we blindly trust those organizations, rather just cautioning saying it is no more effective than a pill placebo due to one study.

A different study that reviewed meta-analyses came to quite a different conclusion [4]:

> In our review of meta-analyses, CBT tailored to children showed robust support for treating internalizing disorders, with benefits outweighing pharmacological approaches in mood and anxiety symptoms. The evidence was more mixed for externalizing disorders, chronic pain, or problems following abuse. Moreover, there remains a need for a greater number of high-quality trials in demographically diverse samples. Similarly, CBT was moderately efficacious for the treatment of emotional symptoms in the elderly, but no conclusions about long-term outcomes of CBT or combination therapies consisting of CBT, and medication could be made.

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> Finally, our review identified 11 studies that compared response rates between CBT and other treatments or control conditions. In 7 of these reviews, CBT showed higher response rates than the comparison conditions, and in only one review (Leichsenring & Leibig, 2003), which was conducted by authors with a psychodynamic orientation, reported that CBT had lower response rates than comparison treatments.

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> In sum, our review of meta-analytic studies examining the efficacy of CBT demonstrated that this treatment has been used for a wide range of psychological problems. In general, the evidence-base of CBT is very strong, and especially for treating anxiety disorders. However, despite the enormous literature base, there is still a clear need for high-quality studies examining the efficacy of CBT. Furthermore, the efficacy of CBT is questionable for some problems, which suggests that further improvements in CBT strategies are still needed. In addition, many of the meta-analytic studies included studies with small sample sizes or inadequate control groups. Moreover, except for children and elderly populations, no meta-analytic studies of CBT have been reported on particular subgroups, such as ethnic minorities and low income samples.

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> Despite these weaknesses in some areas, it is clear that the evidence-base of CBT is enormous. Given the high cost-effectiveness of the intervention, it is surprising that many countries, including many developed nations, have not yet adopted CBT as the first-line intervention for mental disorders. A notable exception is the Improving Access to Psychological Therapies initiative by the National Health Commissioning in the United Kingdom (Rachman & Wilson, 2008). We believe that it is time that others follow suit.

1. https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/cog...

2. https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/talking-therapies-medicine-...

3. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21208-cogni...

4. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3584580/

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Because it's difficult. How do you solve for this problem in a house without internal ducting in temperature extremes throughout the year?

I'm curious, how long has ventilation ducting been part of housing codes, in other words how old are houses that have that problem?

Many (most?) houses in the north/north-east do not have ducts. It's very rare for me personally to come across central air in the NY area.

Re: Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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> "However, the effects of individual exposures remain largely unknown. To study early-life exposures and their implications for multiple cancer types will require prospective cohort studies with dedicated biobanking and data collection technologies." What that means is analytical body-burden data collection should be a medical norm, for a variety of substances: polychlorinated biphenyls, triazine herbicides (atrazin…

It would be nice to have this information to see if any trends are discovered (all of this is theoretical, I question whether measuring excreted compounds rather than stores is is relevant but that’s a separate point) however it is unclear what value this information will provide and seems unlikely it will generate anything actionable. With that in mind, it’s hard to justify the colossal costs that would be involved…

Hmm, you could use that argument to dissuade all of scientific research. Science is zero sum, if we devote resources to it then you are taking them from someone else!

But at the end of the day we all know there are significant potential benefits to this type of testing. Not only that, more demand can increase jobs & labs in the first place.

Just because the system is dysfunctional is not a good argument for ceasing progress.

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Is this even worth doing when people are still smoking, drinking alcohol, living in polluted areas and eating red meat? These are all known risk factors with large effects on cancer risk in younger people. I think the effort is better spent as follows: - ban sale of combustible tobacco products - ban advertising of alcoholic beverages

has smoking, drinking, and eating red meat gone up in the past several decades? because, according to the first sentence of the abstract early onset cancers have gone up in the past several decades.

PFOS in the environment has gone up in the past several decades.

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I feel like there has been a great increase in mental health issues: anxiety, depression, etc., especially among youth. I don’t recall these being major issues from when I was a youth in the late 80s and early 90s. I’m told that I’m wrong and people just didn’t talk about it so I wasn’t aware of it. But even amongst close family members and friends it wasn’t a thing. Now, I’ve seen some claim it is the post 9/11 worl…

Puberty coming on ever earlier is my pet theory for what's causing this. It might come in a way that's uneven. An adult set of sexual characteristics and drives without the corresponding development in executive function must be difficult. Add to that the sudden arrival of sexual characteristics and attention at an age where our culture has no scripts and rituals with which to handle them. Kids must feel like adrift…

More likely it’s the endocrine disruptor chemicals in the environment that are causing earlier puberty AND increased cancer rates.

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I feel like there has been a great increase in mental health issues: anxiety, depression, etc., especially among youth. I don’t recall these being major issues from when I was a youth in the late 80s and early 90s. I’m told that I’m wrong and people just didn’t talk about it so I wasn’t aware of it. But even amongst close family members and friends it wasn’t a thing. Now, I’ve seen some claim it is the post 9/11 worl…

The smartphone era directly seems to coincide with elevated mental health problems. I think porn and social media are responsible. Those two things, heavily changing neurotransmitter and hormone patterns, are significantly amplified when everyone has a smartphone.

I think video games, TV, rock’n’roll music and the bicycle are responsible.

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Yep, I recently found out that drinking very hot tea or coffee can be carcinogenic. This is the only way that I like to drink these beverages.

Due to the containers

And due to the heat

Re: Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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It's telling that people can't help but bring up some very-recent thing they're upset about for dubious reasons, when commenting on an article discussing a trend going back decades . People are "unwilling", in this thread, because it's irrelevant . Unless we're going for "all vaccines cause cancer", but from the context ("that vaccine", "It is safe and effective.") it seems we're talking about the Covid-19 vaccines.…

This vaccine is special, as we all know. And it's a possible cause that I offered. The parent was proposing a list. I added to it. And now I have been censored. Insane.

The article being discussed starts with these words "Over the past several decades", and you suggest as a cause a vaccine that the general public wasn't exposed to just two years ago. You're not being censored, you're receiving feedback that you did a dumb.
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