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If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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not exactly true. In retaliation to prohibiting Russian airlines in their airspace, Russia in turn prohibited the airlines of other countries in Russia. So right now you can fly to some Soviet republics, Turkey, Israel, South Korea and that's it I think.

If you are looking to evacuate, possibly seek asylum a layover flight won't kill you.

I know that in last days all the tickets for flights to Turkey, Armenia etc were taken...

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

You’re probably right, but it’s possible that the environment is such in Russia right now that this could be impactful. From what I’ve been reading and seeing, the Russian people are more willing now than ever to protest and question their government. Those who are on the fence may actually be swayed by a random call like this, but only if they are already suspicious of the information the Russian government is showi…

There is a major element of shaming and condescension here. The very act of this implies "hey, I know more than you do! what you know is less, and also false. because your government tells you wrong things, but my government tells me the truth! so let me educate you". How do you think you and the rest of the West would come across?

Unless you have a personal connection with the person and managed to find common political ground beforehand, this may actually sway them in the other direction, especially so if the person has any national pride.

So, talk to existing Russian friends, network with Russians more, build rapport. Be subtle and open-minded, rather than robotically delivering fixed agenda.

The opposite of random calling, basically.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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To be fair, Russia _does_ do a version of this extensively, with bots on social media. It still only manages to have some (maybe?) effect on ~30-40% of Americans, so your point stands, the tactic has limited effectiveness.

"Limited effectiveness" Even a tiny effect on that much of the population is huge.

Indeed! It is one of those things that is difficult to measure, but we know the strategy has some effect, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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We could mail photos to Russians and air drop them in Ukraine where Russian forces are.

I am curious what makes people keep directing things at ordinary people in Russia. Imagine WWII, except with the world trying to shame people in Germany instead of actually fighting. We'd probably live in a world with very different history books.

It's not shaming, it's informing. The censorship is heavy in Russia.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Well, both Putin and Bush started their terms roughly at the same time. I see only one of them ruling today. America is by no means perfect, but Russia is entirely different thing.

This is crediting the citizens for something achieved by fundamentally different systems of governance and people in power. Yeah the Iraq war eventually was seen as a mistake, if you believe the polls it still took 2-3 years to convince people of that fact, it still took far many more years to pull out. At some point we have to recognize the fact that a citizen _not_ protesting something isn't a sign of support so mu…

I think we need to accept that some problems are bigger than single generation. Each can push border just a little bit in each direction. But it's important to keep pushing, because otherwise you end up like Russia - in lawless country where citizens either feel powerless or so flooded with propaganda, he does even sees that anymore.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Like the country that has been waging an online psy-ops on us for the last decade and a half and literally bribing our elected officials?

Interestingly CIA was kind of blazed the trail there. They even openly bragged about how it got Yeltsin elected. What would you do if you ran a country and the CIA was running a psyops campaign on your citizens? A) Ask them nicely to please stop. B) Do it back C) Do it back and then call for a truce D) Nothing whatsoever From a game theory as well as a moral perspective I think theres one right answer here, but Im cu…

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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We are at war. > You are no better than the FSB itself then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be honest I find the notion of "We" here to be rather dubious. Russia and Ukraine are at war, and while us private citizens of the broader English-speaking world can condemn one side, and support the other, pushing others towards the belief that this is somehow a total war and that every action is justifiable seems patently false.

Thinking that this is just between Russia and Ukraine is such a common mistake. Ukraine is the latest move in a larger chess game (remember Transnistria, Georgia, Bellarus?) where the end goal of Russian is a new world order. Instead of the current order based on western values and laws, Russia wants the so called "uni-polar world" to change such that it has it's own sphere of influence. That sphere would consist of weak countries subjected either politically, economically or militarily. It sees those as buffer states... and there are never enough of those.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Obama came to power on a wave of optimism - he was going to close gitmo and stop the drone strikes. Years after he left the scene gitmo is still open and drone strikes still happen. GWB is gone but his policies endure. Turns out US leadership likes it that way.

Obama tried to close gitmo, but he wasn't the emperor, and there were many politians who opposed him. These politians were elected by US citizens.

Obama was Commander in Chief and had authority to instruct military and replace members of Joint Chiefs of Staff until it got done. Obama kept the military conflicts rolling.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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I assume they are at least as good at is as Zoom is, and Zoom transcripts are frighteningly good.

Text to speech doesn’t have any mechanism for “recording” the tone of the speaker. Something that will be perfectly “acceptable” in a transcript can be said in such a way that it’s meaning to the listener is the complete opposite of it’s meaning to the reader.

Which is fine for NSA/FSB purposes; the text to speech reduces the absolute flood of calls to the trickle that they may want to pay attention to ... ah who am I kidding, they'll sit on some drive somewhere and never be paid attention to, just like all the 9/11 warnings.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

PS. For anyone not getting the 'I have pen' quote, it's a reference to this internet classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8XMlL8rqY :)

Ha nikolie… sounds a lot like nikola ;)
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