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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by simion314 »

scotty79 wrote: post #196
simion314 wrote: post #172

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>Oh no, the children! Yeah dude, not sure where you are from but there are special traffic rules related to children , like how to drive around schools, school buses and children, because children are doing stupid things and schools are marked with special signs so the driver knows to pay more attention in this area.

Adults do plenty of stupid things too. Kids just have on average larger speeds and accelerations.

Sure, but I was a kid and I remember what stupid things I did, like driving a bike on a big hill , off road, Now I can't imagine me doing this, not even if you pay me a lot of money - so is clear that kids and teens will do a lot of stupid things because for some reason they are blind to some risk categories.

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Post by simion314 »

panarky wrote: post #157
throwaway894345 wrote: post #145

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> But HOW do we know is safer? We measure. This requires transparency on the part of Tesla, but if we frame it as "if you want legal FSD, you have to comply with transparency". We regulate like this in all other industries so there's no reason to think we can't do it here. > We should not assume is safer by default No one is advocating "assume it is safer by default". > I see many problems with Tesla fanboys numbers…

>> updating cars should invalidate previous approvals > Seems reasonable to me Year 2026: autonomous drivers have 80% fewer accidents per million miles than human drivers. Bug fix to improve that to 90% and prevent an additional 500,000 casualties per year must wait until 2028 for NHTSA certification.

>Year 2026: autonomous drivers have 80% fewer accidents per million miles than human drivers.

What "autonomous drivers" means in your numbers? Does it mean autopilot without any driver in the car that intensives like in TFA? Because this is the shit stats ignore the cases where the autopilot was saved from 5 crashes in 5 minutes by it's driver, in this case you could say the combo of driver+auto-co-plot is safer , also you should compare same cars and same roads , self driving software gives up on harder conditions so this inflates your stats.

TL:DR Tesla should also show the disengagements numbers so we can add those in the stats, some of those would have been crashes if the driver did not intervene.

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Post by fuzzythinker »

thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

2022: "I would be “shocked” if Tesla does not achieve “Full Self-Driving safer than human this year.”" [1]

[1] https://electrek.co/2022/01/31/elon-musk-tesla-full-self-dri...

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Post by Amezarak »

jeffbee wrote: post #50
baggy_trough wrote: post #12

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Robots who do not follow traffic norms will quickly become infuriating.

Anyone who advocates that not stopping a car at stop signs is a "norm" should be launched directly into the sun. This is why traffic deaths in the U.S. are 40k/year and increasing at 15% per year.

The increase has more to do with cellphones, but people don’t want to talk about that because there’s a very simple, easy fix - it would just cost advertisers and anger people who couldn’t use their phone in the car anymore.

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Post by majewsky »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #167
bo1024 wrote: post #53

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I look forward to the new name for the system. 'Totally Self Driving now can drive over 14% of the time, a 4% improvement from Full Self Driving. Look out soon for the next release, Completely Self Driving.'

The USB-IF normalized that sort of naming sillyness, I fully expect it to spread.

Full Self-Driving 3.1 Release 2 SuperSpeed Beta 16 With Extra Cheese

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Post by oxplot »

dawnerd wrote: post #55

This pretty much matches my experiences too. When it does stuff right it’s great. But then it goes and tries to swerve into a fast approaching car, change lanes in an intersection, decide last minute the turn lane you’re in in actually a straight through lane, checks that the brakes work on a wide open road, etc I’m sure some people are more comfortable letting the car do these things but I feel it’s just a matter of…

You’re actually supposed to intervene anytime it does the slightest thing wrong. It’s the interventions that signal to Tesla what to improve.

I’ve seen many testers letting it “play out”. That’s probably dangerous and no help towards improving things.

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Post by mancerayder »

simion314 wrote: post #59
npace12 wrote: post #40

Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver: 1. pay $12k or $200/mo 2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months) 3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it 4. Keep han…

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

OK, but do you have a lot of faith in human drivers, a huge percentage of whom are talking on their phones with other people for work or play, some of which I've witnessed holding up the video with one hand so their faces can be seen?

Forget FSD - whether it's Tesla or others, an automation in the car that stops when a living being is detected in front seems like an advance, while human drivers talking in a sales meeting while wearing wireless AirPods appear to be an increasing threat to pedestrians.

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Post by vba616 »

scotty79 wrote: post #195
jondwillis wrote: post #176

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I'm a great driver on a relative basis. The average is just that terrible.

It's really hard to estimate that. Vast majority of drivers believe they are better than average driver.

Probably this is true, but I bet accurate self-evaluation based on facts is positively correlated with driving skill.

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Post by vba616 »

jjav wrote: post #198
millzlane wrote: post #173

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All the remedial driving lessons in the world can't prevent you from making a mistake and killing someone.

If you mean prevent 100%, of course not since nothing is absolute. But driving skill training can most certainly greatly increase your skills and awareness and thus immensely reduce your risk of mistakes. Anyone who drives should take as many car control and accident avoidance clinics as they can and refresh up every few years (if not more). These should really be required by law but since they're not, you can increa…

Pilots spend a lot of time on simulators, I believe.

Seems like there would be economies of scale if the federal government created some really realistic simulators programmed with all the common accident situations and then everybody could be required to pass a test every four years or something.

I imagine it would be so much more enjoyable and hopefully more effective than the defensive driving classes that exist now.

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Post by vba616 »

npace12 wrote: post #110
pessimizer wrote: post #89

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You're right, we probably shouldn't make reckless driving legal either.

That's technically not the correct analogue to what I said

A Tesla vs. a Lamborghini is a peculiar comparison. What self-respecting Tesla fan would keep quiet how their Model S does 0-60 quicker?

Seriously:

2021 Lamborghini Aventador: 2.8 seconds

2020 Tesla Model S Performance: 2.4 seconds

(Car & Driver figures)

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