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Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by tzs »

throwaway189262 wrote: post #59
Reedx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Said the church to the scientist. Said the mob to the witch. Be careful about where this goes. This one doesn't affect you and I, but the next one might. It certainly will when it gets to HN or Signal. But then it'll be too late. First they came for...

Ehhh I've looked at parler out of curiosity. Basically full of hate, conspiracy, calls for violence, blatant racism "kill blacks" type stuff. I'm amazed companies were willing to work with them in the first place. Providing services to a company like that is like providing service to the KKK

And all of that except for the "kill blacks" and calls for violence would be perfectly fine on Reddit on /r/conservative. Most of it would also be fine on Twitter or Facebook, except that some of the conspiracy stuff might get a misinformation warning and/or a fact check link.

That's why sites like Parler, Gab, and Voat end up as cesspools. Those who don't feel the need to post racism and calls to violence can just stay on the mainstream services, getting both their political discussion and their non-political discussion in one convenient place.

Voat tried to have the non-political stuff too, but it just ended up with racism there too. For example, in /v/movies people complaining that the "Call of the Wild" cast included a black actor, and going off about how it was the Jews in Hollywood behind this for nefarious reasons.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by DenisM »

acdha wrote: post #173
jlos wrote: post #121

I think there are actually two issues here: the incidence of violence and use of a "Content Killswitch". By a content killswitch, I mean that concerted action by 3 companies to basicaly scrub the entire internet of source materia in 24-48 hours and leave only articles giving their spin on the events. I remember the same thing happened when that stupid "Plandemic" movie came out earlier last year. Even while I had no…

I think this argument works better as a question about decentralization: those three companies didn’t “scrub the entire Internet” — they simply chose not to provide free hosting and promotion for it on their own servers. If the authors had registered plandemic.com they’d be easy to find, but then they’d have to pay out of pocket for hosting. I think this is something a lot of us older people forget: if you experience…

Their sacks of money are so heavy they cause all content and services to fall into their gravity well, which is where it gets scrubbed. Decentralization is stalling in the face of the economy of scale.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by phoobahr »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #193
igetspam wrote: post #190

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And not everyone "right of Biden" is being deplatformed, unless you think everyone right of center is on Parler. Parler is a cesspool of hate groups and conspiracy theories, many of them Nazi or Nazi adjacent.

Not everyone you disagree with is a nazi.

This is not a helpful take when there are actual nazi's - right over there - talking about (and doing) nazi shit.

And the thing about shit is it does splash damage.

When cesspools like twitter and facebook finally give up their add revenue from the flies circling said shit and the turds have to go live in a latrine maybe _just_maybe_ someone should be asking "Are we the baddies?".

Furthermore when someone does try to start cleaning up this shit, and it's always a terrible nasty thankless job, and you're inconvenienced because you're standing too close maybe the question shouldn't be "what about my rights?" But "why the hell am I here in the first place?"

Shit.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by trianglem »

j8hn wrote: post #140
trianglem wrote: post #30

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Yes fascists should be refused by everyone. It’s in everyone’s interests to have more customers so this works itself out through game theory.

Who decides who are the fascists? A community activist in Seattle is organizing against Antifa calling them terrorists for causing violence and hijacking social justice issues such as Black Lives Matter and the homeless issue. Should that group also be refused by everyone, or does it depend on political ideology? Source: https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/1345184414016278528 https://twitter.com/choeshow/status/13451…

Common sense and arbitrary decisions. If you’re making this point you’re a bad faith actor.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by DenisM »

tzs wrote: post #191
mcherm wrote: post #80

I am very concerned about the ease and speed with which they have been deplatformed. I am not a big fan of Parler, but I am a very big fan of free speech, and if the various actors who have driven them out of business can act this quickly in this well-coordinated, what else could they decide to censor?

It wasn't quickly. Parler has been around for two years, and the kind of material that got them finally kicked out of places has been there from near the beginning. Parler's lack of moderation of user content has been in violation of Apple and Google's rules for all that time. I bet if someone had started a service similar to Parler but non-political, where people posted massive amounts of death threats and hate spee…

It’s an interesting hypothesis. I wonder if we can verify if. Are there really awful services out there? I’m think 4chan - do they have an app?

And more to the point - would AWS and Stripe deplatform them?

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by skynet-9000 »

tzs wrote: post #198
skynet-9000 wrote: post #136

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@grzm, sorry can't reply to you. I agree, there can be a strong case to be made that it's just a coincidence and they all moved on the same external event just because they were all meaning to anyway. It also seems like a case could be made that it wasn't a coincidence as well. I doubt we'll ever know, since I don't think Parler will ever take any action in this direction.

> @grzm, sorry can't reply to you For future reference, when that happens just do one of these: 1. Wait a few minutes. HN does not allow immediate replies to new comments. This is the preferred solution. 2. Click the timestamp on the comment to get that comment on a separate page. On that view you can reply even if the comment is in the "no replies yet" window from #1. (I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature).

Thanks @tzs, I'll remember this!

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Post by skynet-9000 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #174
skynet-9000 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@grzm, sorry can't reply to you. I agree, there can be a strong case to be made that it's just a coincidence and they all moved on the same external event just because they were all meaning to anyway. It also seems like a case could be made that it wasn't a coincidence as well. I doubt we'll ever know, since I don't think Parler will ever take any action in this direction.

NB re: your comments being flagged. That's user actions (admin results in "dead"), though HN may be tuned more sensitively, particularly for a highly-active green (new) account. Prior history may be associated. Recent days (and months) have been fraught. There's a contact email in the FAQ. You can request action, though that doesn't seem overly justified here. Guidelines are also worth aa review. Discussing voting is…

Understood completely, and appreciate the feedback. This is definitely a fraught topic. Thanks @dredmorbius, really appreciate the follow up.

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Post by phoobahr »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #159

As the owner of a company, I am more and more afraid to be dependant on Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. because everyday on HN there is a new example proving that they can destroy your business if you are not aligned with their view, their interest or someone in their evaluation team. I use electricity, water, phone, etc. and I have never been afraid to be cut off by these companies as long as I pay the bills and respect…

Funny how the reliable services are regulated utilities and the unreliable ones are byproducts of advertising companies.

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Post by skynet-9000 »

candybar wrote: post #165
simonh wrote: post #99

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You’d have to prove conspiracy, but there’s no reason to believe any of these businesses conspired with each other.

That's too generous. Even if these these businesses "conspired" to do this, that's still not a conspiracy in a legal sense, which is about an agreement to commit an actual crime. As it's not a crime to end business relationships with an entity (which btw almost certainly has been in violation of TOS), no amount of prior coordination would make this a conspiracy. It's not illegal to conspire to do something that's oth…

Appreciate that response. I was referring to conspiracy to commit tortious interference civilly. And you're right, RICO or similar in a criminal case would require a much higher standard of proof.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by skynet-9000 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #166
skynet-9000 wrote: post #74

When several vendors drop the same customer at the same time, and there are no state attorneys general bringing legal actions (and thus no grounds to assert illegal activity), then it seems like conspiracy to destroy a business, and a likely cause of action for tortious interference and possibly a RICO violation.

Or perhaps the indictments are sealed.

That seems reasonable. Of course, it wouldn't be useful as a defense in a civil case. (And, indictments for what? Section 230 protects Parler anyway.)
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