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Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by simonh »

chrismorgan wrote: post #63
baggachipz wrote: post #10

> "They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day." If everybody else is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole.

Yet Galileo was indefinitely imprisoned for denying a geocentric model of the universe, which Everyone Knew to be True. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair The point is that the majority is often wrong, and consensus does not confer virtue. (I am deliberately making no remark on this instance; I am speaking purely of the underlying principle.)

Those persecuting Galileo were not “everyone else” though, it was just the Catholic Church authorities, and in fact even many church scholars were sympathetic to Galileo views and confirmed his observations. Also Galileo was subject to actual persecution by the authorities, not simply being dropped by business partners. It’s a completely spurious example.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dang »

kitkat_new wrote: post #113
manfredo wrote: post #96

The way this forum was purged from the internet is making me uncomfortable. I never used Parler, and I really don't care about the fact that it's gone. But the way that a handful of private companies effectively decides who gets to reach an audience and who doesn't is deeply troubling. We're increasingly becoming a world where what is and isn't allowed in the public sphere is controlled by a handful of corporate lead…

nice try blaming the lefties

Please don't post unsubstantive or flamebait comments to HN, and please don't use this site for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do those things, regardless of which ideology they're for or against.

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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dredmorbius »

dmitriid wrote: post #33

I read this as: every vendor was pretty quiet until the final outcome becaome known and it was safe to "bravely come forward with the decision" that will benifit said vendors in discussions with the current political powers

Or pressure was applied to them.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dredmorbius »

masterphilo wrote: post #67

Parler may have just ended its own business, I think. They should have pivoted to be a free speech alternative to sensible conservatives, with sensible moderation, and market their product as such. As it is, no one wants to do business with a company that openly allows neo-nazis, anti-semites, and lately, criminals, on their platform, and no one with a brain would even want to be on such a platform. I'm open to a Twi…

Parler seems purpose built for revolution.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by igetspam »

brayhite wrote: post #115
manfredo wrote: post #96

The way this forum was purged from the internet is making me uncomfortable. I never used Parler, and I really don't care about the fact that it's gone. But the way that a handful of private companies effectively decides who gets to reach an audience and who doesn't is deeply troubling. We're increasingly becoming a world where what is and isn't allowed in the public sphere is controlled by a handful of corporate lead…

I don’t think the goal of banning these folks is to change the banned person’s mind. It’s to slow down the spread of the banned person’s rhetoric. To your suggestion that folks who witness the ban take place suspecting “there’s something afoot”, while that could be right, I’d bet that’s a much smaller number than the number of folks who would’ve otherwise seen the rhetoric and came around to agreeing with it, if not…

I don't think that's the goal. I think the goal for those companies is to not lose business over this. This is the free market at its best. Market pressure has made the math pretty simple: if N customers won't do business with my company because we do business with Abhorrent Co and the potential revenue loss from losing those N companies is greater than the revenue I generate from Abhorrent Co, then drop Abhorrent Co.

If any of those companies felt the ethical/moral value of Parler was more valuable than the lost revenue, they wouldn't drop them. Obviously that's not the case.

The moral here is pretty simple: don't be a Nazi.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by cygx »

LatteLazy wrote: post #139
pfisch wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they stopped filming people streaking on sports fields it stopped happening. When school shooters get tons of media coverage school shootings go up. Same with suicides. People don't like to think that censorship works, but the truth is that censorship does work a lot of the time.

I can see some argument for that. But It still makes no sense to ban parler. And you now need to filter the content of all media to prevent those people getting publicity elsewhere. So is that the plan? Keep parler but install censors there AND in every website mod office, newspaper, TV station and radio studio? That's a lot of work. When we could just put FBI agents on parler and have them prevent crimes with conspi…

Note that the alternative would be forcing private companies to do business with a party they do not want to do business with. That has its own set of issues.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dredmorbius »

thefourthchime wrote: post #4

this is entirely not surprising. He’s going to have to go overseas to get service

Peering with what carrier pigeon IP service?

They'll still require a backplane service with a landing point in the US.

Unless the site goes fully Tor / Onion.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by IdontRememberIt »

As the owner of a company, I am more and more afraid to be dependant on Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. because everyday on HN there is a new example proving that they can destroy your business if you are not aligned with their view, their interest or someone in their evaluation team.

I use electricity, water, phone, etc. and I have never been afraid to be cut off by these companies as long as I pay the bills and respect the law.

PS: I am referring to none political cases (especially with app stores) that have been happening the last years.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by dang »

mrlala wrote: post #31
QuizzicalCarbon wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intolerant of the intolerant?

Exactly. I'm glad you finally understand. Are you suggesting 'tolerant' people should tolerate something like, racism? You are a logical moron if you try to make that argument. You know exactly what you are doing, and it's stupid.

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