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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by hamsterOnWheel »

vvillena wrote: post #69
bmarquez wrote: post #15

Twitter's lack of transparency is depressing. If they're going to lock the NY Post account, they should put a notification on the page (and perhaps a reason why). Right now if you go to the NY Post Twitter it just looks like they voluntarily decided to stop tweeting, which is misinformation.

As a counterpoint, Twitter as a company isn't forced to do any such thing, so if they think it can hurt its userbase and its revenue, it won't be done. Social media tries to establish a unique public forum, that gets policed by a single company. It's an unsustainable, doomed model. There's a reason the Internet as a whole is serviced by miriads of companies that are more or less forced to cooperate.

I think there needs to be rules about transparency for media companies. In court you have to argue about and explain any disallowance of evidence; however in the court of public opinion, the media, no such rules apply.

Obviously you have to be careful when coming up with rules for government regulation of media, but the laissez faire thing we're doing now doesn't seem to be heading on a positive trendline.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by _wmhc »

gran_colombia wrote: post #108
codegladiator wrote: post #4

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And suddenly twitter is a leftist corporation. Frankly I don't know whats the better way for twitter, its one of those doomed if you do, doomed if not.

Banning right wing conspiracy theories would not have been a political issue 5 years ago. There is nothing intrinsically leftist about this. It turns out that one political party and its propaganda outlets favour disinformation designed (by foreign adversaries) to provoke political violence. This party only has itself to blame. Anything becomes political as soon as a politician talks about it. So things being 'politi…

>There is nothing intrinsically leftist about this.

Exactly, the world is not that polarised that anyone not agreeing with right wing conspiracies is left wing.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

blhack wrote: post #44
function_seven wrote: post #31

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Twitter is not a utility. It is not common infrastructure. The Internet is, and I would not be okay with Internet access being terminated over political disagreements. But individual services? Sure, why not? For those who argue that Twitter is a de facto common platform, well these decisions are moving them away from that role. The more they exercise their own prerogatives in removing content, the more they're no lon…

Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. But that actually doesn't even damage the argument: would it be okay if Google decided that they didn't like NyPost's politics, so they disabled the functionality of all of their ne…

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by colinmhayes »

influx wrote: post #180
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

I'm curious what your thoughts are on the NY Times pushing false information that led to the second Iraq War? Should they get penalized on Twitter after pushing a narrative that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths? From the NY Times itself ( https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-th... ) "But we have found a number of instances of coverage that was not as rigorous as it should have been. In some…

I don't think there's any evidence that the times purposefully published information that they strongly suspected to be untrue. That is what the post did. The times made mistakes, but they admitted it and apologized, as seen in the link you posted. The post maliciously overruled their own newsroom to post fake news.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by dragonwriter »

keiferski wrote: post #144
bigbubba wrote: post #124

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ZH proudly flaunts their bearish bias. The name Zero Hedge really says it all. Their motto, 'On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everybody drops to zero' , makes this explicit.

That's a quote from Fight Club and more of a joke than anything, IIRC.

Fight Club, though, was just fancying up and decontextualizing the first sentence of Milton (EDIT: John Maynard, nor Milton) Keynes famous quote: "In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if, in tempestuous seasons, they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again."

I would be very surprised if a financial news outlet choosing the Fight Club quote did so at random and not specifically because of its predecessor.

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Post by lucaspm98 »

bleepblorp wrote: post #34
damagednoob wrote: post #5

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"Suddenly". You have to work really hard to make sure your timeline includes centre leaning views, never mind right leaning.

Unless Twitter has changed something recently, there are follow buttons on the account pages for @cnn, @cnni, @reuters, @ap, @bbcworld, @cbcnews, @dwnews, etc. Provided you're using chronological mode (which you should for many, many reasons), tweets from these sources will appear in your timeline. If you do not consider those news outlets adequately centerist, that may be an indication that your personal Overton win…

Reuters, BBC, and AP (excluding politics and fact check) are the only centrist sources out of these organizations. All of the rest are various levels of leaning left.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by cortesoft »

khawkins wrote: post #176
jimbokun wrote: post #99

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A very small handful of companies have a stranglehold over the lion's share of all global communications: Google, Facebook, Apple, Twitter. So maybe Twitter isn't quite a monopoly on its own, but the consolidation of control over information and data distribution into the hands of a very small number of organizations has worrying implications for how we think about censorship and freedom of speech.

It's interesting to see how quickly Silicon Valley culture has changed over the past 10 years from one of free speech absolutism to "benevolent censorship". The people so vociferously clamoring about the nightmare-hellscape of a world without Net-Neutrality are now telling us that a handful of major corporations actively and blatantly censoring speech is no cause for concern.

Net Neutrality is different. No one is arguing that it is ok to block NyPost at a network level. Free speech does not mean a free platform.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by timdev2 »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #127
gabereiser wrote: post #61

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Journalistic integrity means vetting sources of “news”, especially in this day in age when so many videos are just clips out of context. I completely agree with Twitter keeping NY Post account disabled. Until they can prove to be a real news source, they are tabloid fake news. The fact they they will publish articles other news sites won’t means not that they are “The Rogue News Organization in a sea of Liberal Media…

Twitter shouldn't decide for me what I may or may not read.

Twitter has a 1st Amendment right to decide what you may or may not read on Twitter.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by skybrian »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

It's not that people are "too dumb" but rather that they aren't going to do the work needed to verify a story. How many phone calls do you make to verify something before resharing it? Most people make zero phone calls.

If you don't do the work, there's no reason to believe that you can do as good a job judging plausibility of a story as a good journalist can do. It's not about who's smarter, it's about not having the evidence.

I don't make any phone calls either, but I try to crib from people who do their homework. I also appreciate basic filtering to keep the noise down. It's not that I couldn't do my own spam filtering, but rather I don't want to.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by calvinmorrison »

lr4444lr wrote: post #166
dimgl wrote: post #48

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> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven Implying that every other major MSM organization doesn't do the same exact garbage and aren't deserving of the same treatment. Edit: the point is that rules should not favor one MSM corporation over the other. It should be neutral.

You should check out the NYTimes' coverage of every rumor in Sarah Palin's family right after she was picked as the VP running mate in 2008.

A few months ago there was non-stop coverage of the president purportedly saying very mean things about soldiers. This was from an anonymous source. Even Bolton who is no fan of the president said that it didn't happen. It got 24/7 playtime by the media.

Now on the other day the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate and what happens? Nothing. As usual 'the powers that be' have the media in the pocket.

how long till this comment gets disappeared? I hope I don't get fired!

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