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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by jfoster »

johnpowell wrote: post #86

Back in the IE 6 days I was in charge of fixing my families computers, and my family's friends computers. I was dealing with a few things a week, some requiring a full re-install. This was back in the early 2000's. Eventually I snapped and started charging hourly unless people switched to Gmail and Firefox. I started getting a lot less calls since Gmail was pretty good about filtering out malicious attachments and IE…

Back then, that was pretty good advice. IE was so insecure your entire system was at risk if you were exposed to the wrong content. Google made their browser quite secure and fast, which negates some of the reasons why people used ad blockers. There are other reasons people might use them, but these days you're much, much safer on Chrome than you ever were on IE.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by icegreentea2 »

LeonM wrote: post #97

Wow, the amount of negativity here is awful. I looks like most commenters have not even read the article... First of all, the HN title is not the title of the article. HN mods, please change it to reflect the actual title of the article. Second, to me this does not seem as some attempt by Google to actively block Adblocker extensions. They are proposing a change to the API (Manifest) to no longer allow manipulation o…

They announced this back in May/June - the whole 30k rules things.

Current rules list easily exceed that number. They said back in May/June that they would consider looking increasing the number of rules - they clearly haven't chosen to increase the number in the intervening time. Maybe they are waiting for more actual testing, but they're not setting themselves up for an easy time.

It's also honestly a little rich to worry about the performance impact of ad blocking given the performance impact of ads themselves.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

koolba wrote: post #68
adrianN wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pi-hole can switch from magicking the DNS to being a proxy that rewrites HTML.

TLS makes that tricky as you need a MITM proxy.

And cert pinning in the browsers blows this out of the water, which is why I'm of two minds about it as a security feature. It seems that a lot of security these days is really about removing people's control over their own devices.

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Post by neuronic »

apexalpha wrote: post #162
johnpowell wrote: post #86

Back in the IE 6 days I was in charge of fixing my families computers, and my family's friends computers. I was dealing with a few things a week, some requiring a full re-install. This was back in the early 2000's. Eventually I snapped and started charging hourly unless people switched to Gmail and Firefox. I started getting a lot less calls since Gmail was pretty good about filtering out malicious attachments and IE…

Nowaways I put a pihole in every home of my family members. Together with unchecky (windows) my calls dropped by 95% or so.

What lists are you using, which avoiding? My use of pihole constantly disrupted basic services such as Sonos. I can certainly find the URL culprits and resolve it, but I got tired of constantly doing so...

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Post by PuffinBlue »

mcv wrote: post #182
pmlnr wrote: post #153

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I see recaptcha, I walk. There's nothing else I can do. BTW if I turn on 1st party isolation in FF, I keep feeding the fire hydrant monster for hours.

Sites with recaptcha should be boycotted as much as possible. It's a stupid, annoying test.

They're getting garbage in with the service too - about the last dozen (at least) or more times I've had to do it you can clearly see that one of the options is what the AI thinks should be the answer, but isn't. But if you don't select it before clicking 'verify' it gives you a little 'please select all taxis' or whatever.

No AI, that's just a car, not a taxi.

But who cares, I just click anyway and feed bullshit in and in a few years it'll think everything is a taxi.

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Post by Nasrudith »

claudeganon wrote: post #89
wbl wrote: post #73

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Firefox is already here.

Since Firefox is already dependent on Google for a great deal of their funding, I’d say the next phase in Google’s strategy will be scaling that back.

That doesn't make any sense. Firefox already is open source and forked already. New features can easily be cherrypicked even.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

malvosenior wrote: post #173
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #85

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Even if you don't share their opinion, you have to accept that some people honestly believe that advertising is necessary for funding the open Web and keep it open for people who either can't afford tons of subscriptions or hate them for privacy reasons. Realistically, Mr Vincent is not in charge of being an advocate for anything other than Google's corporate interests. But he is not in charge of destroying extension…

I don’t accept that these people think they are helping create an open web. I think they’re trying to make their stock options worth more and appease their bosses.

I don't know Mr Vincent or anyone else at Google, but it seems unrealistic to assume that no one at Google could possibly believe that advertising is helping not hurting the open Web.

Stock options and bosses with different incentives are available at other employers as well.

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Post by austhrow743 »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #149
9dl wrote: post #116

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I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

> And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version That's just plain dumb. Explain to your users what you are doing. You seem to think they are stupid, well they are not.

A ton of people are stupid. You don't know his users.

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Post by geitir »

rusk wrote: post #143
moomin wrote: post #15

This is the point in the dominance cycle where the dominant player decides they no longer need to be the fastest or the most secure and that their dominance will allow them to coast along doing their thing. There’s nothing particularly inevitable about what happens next, but let’s hope they get an IE6-sized kick in the teeth.

has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I swear, around about 2011 I thought Google was going to become self aware but it's declined from that high-point to a point where duckduckgo has become a viable alternative for more than just reasons of privacy. Which is a great thing! Turns out "Don't be Evil" was more than just a feel-good marketing slogan. It…

I don't know about overall quality of search, but did stack overflow do something to fall out of Google's good graces? I swear unless I specifically include stack overflow in my search query it's either near the bottom or not include at all. Instead it's a whole bunch of articles from independent websites. This is for questions I know fit the bill for stack overflow too. It's almost like Google is artificial lowering their ranking to decentralize the source of knowledge. That or stack overflow lost 70% of readership in 4 months

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Post by rusk »

pmlnr wrote: post #151
rusk wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I swear, around about 2011 I thought Google was going to become self aware but it's declined from that high-point to a point where duckduckgo has become a viable alternative for more than just reasons of privacy. Which is a great thing! Turns out "Don't be Evil" was more than just a feel-good marketing slogan. It…

> over the last 12 months More like since 2014. I use google search for one thing only these days: product search, when I'm trying to find a local dealer for a product. For everything else, duckduckgo, which, to be completely honest, is a lot more like the old google from the early 2000s, than the current google.

> More like since 2014

I do remember remarking to somebody around this time that google search had become something of a glorified grep.

You could still get things though. What I meant in this comment is that it has gotten even worse to the point that its almost unusable. It really does remind me of Microsoft of the 00’s.

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