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8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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The theory seems to be that white supremacists just naturally wish to commit violent hate crimes and that white supremacists use 8chan to indoctrinate more followers. What if it turns out that white supremacists primary wish is to have their arguments heard by society, but society has instead cast them out and refuses to let them post elsewhere so they can only post on 8chan, and that some of them, mentally unstable,…

Germany tried that in the 1930s. The de-platforming required later was historic.

Actually Germany had strict hate speech laws and worked hard to prevent the Nazis from rising to power.

From this article: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/copenhagen-speech-v...

Weimar Germany did have hate-speech laws, and they were applied quite frequently. The assertion that Nazi propaganda played a significant role in mobilizing anti-Jewish sentiment is, of course, irrefutable. But to claim that the Holocaust could have been prevented if only anti-Semitic speech and Nazi propaganda had been banned has little basis in reality. Leading Nazis such as Joseph Goebbels, Theodor Fritsch, and Julius Streicher were all prosecuted for anti-Semitic speech. Streicher served two prison sentences. Rather than deterring the Nazis and countering anti-Semitism, the many court cases served as effective public-relations machinery, affording Streicher the kind of attention he would never have found in a climate of a free and open debate. In the years from 1923 to 1933, Der Stürmer [Streicher's newspaper] was either confiscated or editors taken to court on no fewer than thirty-six occasions. The more charges Streicher faced, the greater became the admiration of his supporters. The courts became an important platform for Streicher's campaign against the Jews. In the words of a present-day civil-rights campaigner, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the anti-hate laws of today, and they were enforced with some vigor. As history so painfully testifies, this type of legislation proved ineffectual on the one occasion when there was a real argument for it.

So it is not quite as you have claimed.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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My friends and I used to visit the *chan sites when we were younger. Sometimes the discussions there were good e.g. if you browse the exercise forums. But then one of my closest friends killed himself silently. That was when I realized that these sites are no jokes. Some of the people there have fallen so deep into the pit of hate and depression. Nowadays I don't even link nor share the name of the sites to my younge…

I don't know about father figure specifically, but the dialogue you get from many on xChan sites really just makes me just want to talk to them. For every n playing it up, there must be a few who genuinely have these hateful views.

I've never been that far down the rabbit hole but I can imagine a lack of any human contact playing a role from my experience.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#203

The theory seems to be that white supremacists just naturally wish to commit violent hate crimes and that white supremacists use 8chan to indoctrinate more followers. What if it turns out that white supremacists primary wish is to have their arguments heard by society, but society has instead cast them out and refuses to let them post elsewhere so they can only post on 8chan, and that some of them, mentally unstable,…

The solution to ideologues who murder is not to listen to them more carefully.

No one seriously suggests we need to be more respectful of the beliefs of ISIS.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#204

...how have things gotten objectively worse for young men?

It's very hard to find a partner nowadays. In the past, people dated within the local community, so women were limited to their local dating pool. With the advent of online dating, women can afford to be choosy and pick from guys all over the country, if not even all over the world. As a result, many men that would have found someone in the past are going to be lonely nowadays.

Now, the obvious reply to that is "but online dating is for men too, look at all these guys meeting a different girl every day". This applies to a very small minority of men. The confident, attractive types with great bodies. An average woman will still get lots of attention on dating website and have a lot of guys to pick from, an average guy won't really get any attention on such websites.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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post #194

The theory seems to be that white supremacists just naturally wish to commit violent hate crimes and that white supremacists use 8chan to indoctrinate more followers. What if it turns out that white supremacists primary wish is to have their arguments heard by society, but society has instead cast them out and refuses to let them post elsewhere so they can only post on 8chan, and that some of them, mentally unstable,…

> the Christchurch one is illegal for me to read Could you elaborate on this? It sounds awful to me - someone could tell you anything they want about the manifesto and the shooter's motivations, and it would be illegal for you to check if they are lying or not.

I assume he means he is from NZ and the government has made downloading/sharing the shooter's manifesto illegal.[1]

[1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/new-zea...

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we have redefined conservative to be anyone with whom we disagree. The shooter posted about various 'concerns'. He was worried about environmental destruction caused by massive corporations and immigrants. This seems neither republican, Democrat, progressive, nor religious. The best description is eco nationalist but that doesnt even cover it. Given the major figures in the conservative movement were criticized f…

Ecofascism is what it is called and it is an inside joke. It is not a serious political position. It is meant precisely to confuse people like you.

Ecofacism is not a joke. It is joked about however.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#207

I think that technology has brought us some truly marvelous things. But they also enable us to avoid casual social contact while enabling us to withdraw from meaningful social contact. Online anonymity permits endless Sybil attacks -- helping turn communities' frustration from anger and rage into violence. I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe i…

> I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals but instead refuses to condemn any ideologies or discussion More or less. More so than 4chan. 8chan is like Reddit (and unlike 4chan) in that it allows anyone to set up a subcommunity that they can moderate however they like. Only illegal content (and nude/se…

Explain to me the important differences between /pol/ and Al Queda, that would make the US military choose not to order drone strikes on /pol/ operatives

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#208
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I'm not saying find a screenshot because it encourages them less, I'm saying find a screenshot because if you go there you risk being mentally scarred, to say nothing if someone sees it in your internet history or you're dumb enough to visit it on a corporate network or work laptop/phone. That would be a well-deserved firing, if not for being a racist then for being a moron. >Why are we sparing white-nationalist…

> Imminent threats and specific calls to violence are a different matter. That is what I find disturbing. That general threads and calls to violence are ok. That threatening your neighbor is ok meanwhile you do not set a date and a time for the violence. Finally, if I say that Coca-Cola causes cancer the Coca-Cola Company can sue me for lying. But, if I lie about your race is on because it only affects men, women and…

Nope, free speech is free.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals but instead refuses to condemn any ideologies or discussion More or less. More so than 4chan. 8chan is like Reddit (and unlike 4chan) in that it allows anyone to set up a subcommunity that they can moderate however they like. Only illegal content (and nude/se…

Explain to me the important differences between /pol/ and Al Queda, that would make the US military choose not to order drone strikes on /pol/ operatives

Control of territory. Al Queda and/or their associates were effectively a government, while /pol/ can only wish for that sort of power.

(Related to that is the matter of geographic distribution. One of these guys could be your next door neighbor, and the US Military is not allowed to drop bombs in American neighborhoods. That's in the Constitution.)

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#210
post #15

Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…

> To me they are very hard to understand. You start by joking that you are a jew-hating nazi and then after a while you become an actual jew-hating nazi. How does that work psychologically?

It works not through jokes, but through otherwise rarely mentioned facts. For example, of the 7 chairs of the Federal Reserve since 1970, 5 were Jewish. The two gentiles collectively held the chair for 2 of those 49 years (1978-1979, and from 2018 onward) [1]. 35% of the Forbes 400 are Jewish [2]. "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish." [3] 25% of Harvard students are Jewish (and 22% non-Jewish white) [4,5].

Jewish people are 2% of the US population, so they are over-represented in the listed groups by a factor of 10 or more (while non-Jewish whites are under-represented). Yet how often does the media talk about "Jewish privilege" compared to "white privilege"?

I hope this helped you understand.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve

[2] https://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/2012-forbes-400-by-eth...

[3] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein...

[4] https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-co...

[5] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

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