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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by jandrewrogers »

andr wrote: post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

Nothing new this time around that I know of, though Huawei has admitted to specific allegations many times in the past (e.g. wholesale stealing of Cisco's software in 2003, got caught physically stealing Motorola wireless tech several years ago, etc). Huawei were banned from sensitive infrastructure in Five Eyes for security reasons circa 2013/2014, along with Lenovo (against which there were specific allegations IIRC).

This is just an expansion of official government policy put in place during the Obama administration to the rest of the private sector.

tl;dr: this isn't new territory for Huawei.

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Post by ooboe »

Fnoord wrote: post #133
yding wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lineage isn't good enough on its own. 99% of Lineage OS users also install google play services and the google play store. You need to have a replacement for all of the closed source Google APIs for app developers to use. It's a much bigger undertaking than just recompiling the base OS from source.

You can install F-Droid or microG if you prefer; you don't need to use GApps. Apart from that the other options you have, are (in random order): /e/, PureOS, KaiOS, SailfishOS, Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, postmarketOS, among others.

Or YALP, Aurora, or AuroraStore.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by tonyaiken »

dharma1 wrote: post #190

Think this will have long reaching ramifications. Huawei is much closer to the Chinese government than ZTE was - this won't go without repercussions. A version of Android/replacement to Android that is used by most Chinese phones but not in the hands of Google seems like the inevitable outcome. We already know China can produce world class hardware - I wonder how they will fare at operating systems. It's not an easy…

Do you know ZTE is owned by Chinese government?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #165
costcopizza wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more expensive would an iPhone be that’s assembled in the US?

Cost is not the reason all consumer electronics are made in China. Actually, manufacturing there is now more expensive than Estern Europe. They build them there because all the supply chain is already there. In Shenzhen, the capacitors, resistors, PCBs and most chips are sourced in bulk from around the block . That's something no other country in the West or even East has and it's such a complex interconnected ecosys…

Everything you've mentioned is basically synonymous with "cost."

An iPhone built in the US from domestic components would probably cost more than most peoples' cars.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by tehlike »

bartimus wrote: post #157
andr wrote: post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

When it comes to security everyone's guilty until proven innocent.

China has apps with plenty of install base. That is probably the bigger threat noone has really noticed yet...

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by StavrosK »

rl3 wrote: post #191

I'd love to see a forensic level reverse engineering/technical audit of the Nexus 6P hardware. In reality Chinese intelligence likely wasn't stupid enough to try anything there, but I often wonder how many eyes Google had on hardware security for that project considering it was Huawei making their flagship phone at the time. I also wonder if there were any NSA efforts to tear the thing apart, since they are likely be…

Why is China so likely to bug the phone but the NSA isn't?

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Post by iamnothere »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #25

Huawei already saw this coming; at least that's what the company signaled last march when they announced they have a 'backup OS': https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/03/14/huawei-confirms-os/

It would be nice to see Sailfish on there; it might finally help it gain some traction.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by lucb1e »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #80
the_pwner224 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless this google certification is stored in hardware, that's not the case. You can flash Android phones with a custom bootloader, use that to flash AOSP (open source core android)/LineageOS, and for most people doing that the next step is to flash gapps on top of that. Here's a popular gapps distribution: https://opengapps.org/#aboutsection Google's requirements mainly apply to OEMs bundling gapps into their stock…

locked bootloader in huawei I think, even if they open it it's not really a normal sideload and will be hard enough to not be a generally applicable solution.

I've got root on my Huawei P10 lite since day one (would have returned the phone if it were closed), not sure where you got the idea that unlocking the bootloader is not possible.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by ghobs91 »

To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone.

I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other markets.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by gsich »

Despegar wrote: post #199
shshhdhs wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely because Apple gave China the master encryption keys: https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/25/apple-moves-icloud-encrypt...

iMessage is end-to-end encrypted.

Doesn't matter if you backup messages to icloud.
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