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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#181

The US doing some market manipulation again; good thing they want to stop companies and countries from spying on people. /s https://www.wikiwand.com/en/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

Are you against warrants?

I am against warrantless searches and seizures. (Which PRISM and other 3-letter agencies' programs are notorious of doing)

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#182

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

How much more expensive would an iPhone be that’s assembled in the US?

A lot more, if it could be made at all:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-an...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/technology/iphones-apple-...

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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If true, this is certainly a nuclear move. There's a variety of first party app stores in China, though I doubt they'll see much success convincing Western users to switch. Curious if there's going to be antitrust fallout from markets outside the US for unilaterally crippling vendors at behest of US foreign policy. Is Microsoft or Apple going to pull their app stores as well? What happened to project Dragon Fly? On t…

> though I doubt they'll see much success convincing Western users to switch.

Are any of these stores near the quality levels that Western audiences expect? My experience with software from China was consistently bad. Even the AliExpress web site looks like a cobbled together, barely working mess that people only put up with because of the low prices of the goods you can buy there, which won't work for app stores.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#184

This was expected. Huawei now presents a serious competition to the likes of Apple, so the 'free market' in the U.S. responds by...shutting down the competition. Now I know the counterargument is about Chinese protectionism, but it is the U.S. who has always championed free market capitalism and led interventions in order to forcibly open other markets to its exports. As this shows however, this belief in the free ma…

It seems like the exact opposite is true. China in some sense doesn't abide by free market or free trade principles, and this can be seen as a principled stand against that.

Except China has not locked U.S. smartphone makers like Apple anywhere near to the degree that the U.S. is targeting Huawei.

Also, China does not necessarily claim to be as free-market as the U.S. does and as far as I am aware, has not let interventionist wars in order to open up a foreign market to its companies.

What I am talking here is principle. The U.S. claims to have free speech for example, China does not. But in that instance the U.S. sticks by its principles and maintains its free speech protections, despite China not having them.

Why is this different when it comes to the free market? A concept the U.S. has in recent history definitely fought harder worldwide than the pursuit of free speech.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #134

I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system? To me the combination of Android and iOS always was the perfect mold around the business of high-end mobile phones. Android is given away for free; but to make a truly great end user experience hardware and software needs to be integrated. Like it is for iOS. But that requires an enourmous investment; and there is no…

> I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system?

Creating an app ecosystem out of nowhere. This was the same thing that killed all competitors to Apple and Android.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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I assume Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, Xilinx, Intel PSG, Microsemi, Lattice, and Qualcomm are also affected by the Huawei blacklist. Can Huawei survive without these critical components and EDA tools? If Huawei ignores the loss of licenses and uses existing software and libraries to develop future products, will those be banned from US and EU markets?

Do they even respect licenses to being with?

I doubt shipping phones with easily identifiable pirated Qualcomm IP to western countries is going to work well.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#187
I wonder if this will be the catalyst for foreign companies to stop using US technology. For everything that the US has done to other countries over the years, US tech companies have somewhat maintained their independence. Now that US companies are being compelled to not sell to various Chinese companies, it could be a wake-up call to the rest of the world that US companies are now simply another arm of the US government.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would carriers care about bootloader unlocks? it's different from a carrier lock , which prevents a phone from being used on another carrier.

Doesn't an unlocked bootloader almost automatically allow bypassing of the carrier lock?

if allows baseband chip firmware update, then yes

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#189

How does this affect Huawei's base station business? They are massive in Europe.

Also interested to know. AFIAK Huawei is being used for all UK 5G rollouts, and there are already 1000s of masts up (though not commercially active yet) for 5G. Plus I imagine they have a very big marketshare of LTE kit going in as well.

Huawei is also the vast majority of cabinets for VDSL in the UK (the ECI alternative which was deployed has been pulled as was really low quality compared to the Huawei kit). My rough guess there is at least 20,000 DSLAMs on nearly every streeet corner that are built by Huawei.

At least in the UK it is hard to see how the country can run without this kit, and it would be an enormous undertaking to pull it out. I'm sure many other European countries are the same as Huawei's kit is definitely technically the best for this kind of stuff as far as my knowledge goes.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

#190
Think this will have long reaching ramifications. Huawei is much closer to the Chinese government than ZTE was - this won't go without repercussions.

A version of Android/replacement to Android that is used by most Chinese phones but not in the hands of Google seems like the inevitable outcome.

We already know China can produce world class hardware - I wonder how they will fare at operating systems.

It's not an easy task.

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