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China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Why would someone do that? Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

What do you think is easier to accomplish? A technical white paper that doesn't bs with buzzwords, or a business plan filled with marketing fluff? Think about it. You could spend hours working on a business plan that nobody will ever read. With the ICO route, you can reach an audience like never before.

>A technical white paper that doesn't bs with buzzwords

You mean like this? http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

I hope this shows you that I am very serious about the "idea".

But is there even a mechanism here?

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My issue with ICO's is that there is neither a mechanism (in fact it's explicitly barred by law) or even an expectation for a company that executes and becomes profitable, to "repay" the people who bought into the ICO, by repurchasing at a multiple.

In other words, if you raise $1 million on coins, the expectation is that if you use it to become a profitable company, you will not rebuy any of those coins.

In financial terms here is what is going on when you raise money for a white paper using an ICO.

You're in two markets: you're in the market of selling collectible, limited-edition playing cards with cool branding. Theoretically you don't really care about the market for them, because selling playing cards isn't the business you're "really" in. The cards don't represent shares in your company. They just happened to be called Virtual Shares Collectible Playing Cards. And you sell them because you're trying to raise money. The "cooler" your white paper, the cooler the cards. The "real" business is just branding for the collectible cards. But what happens later to the cards has no relation to your white paper / real business. They're separate entities.

Separately, you use whatever funds raised, to fund whatever you wrote about in your white paper. There is no promised or expected flow back from the second to the first thing.

It is literally illegal to do an ICO and say that if you become a profitable business, you will repurchase the coins at a 4x multiple to their ICO price. That is illegal.

So while selling collectible playing cards by branding them with a really cool white paper might be a great way to raise money -- and who knows, the market for them might stay strong for a long time -- it really has nothing to do with the financials of the business you use those funds for.

someone correct me if I'm wrong. where is the flow back from a successful business to the coins? They don't represent ownership. The business isn't rebuying them.

What does the success of the business have to do with the coins they're branding? Nothing, right?

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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The corporate brainwashing angle seems a bit far-fetched. I'd rather compare it with the endorsement of savings accounts with a 1% rate of interest and useless things like that.

Why does corporate brainwashing seem far-fetched to you? It happens all the time. Advertisements are all about brainwashing common people to buy things they don't really need.

How does advertising keep you "enslaved" exactly? I assume we're talking about the normal TV and internet ads kind

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

#204

What's interesting to me is that no amount of bad news appears to affect the price of BTC. I'm not a professional or amateur trader (I've got no position on BTC at all) but the price fluctuations really seem dominated by sentiment over any sort of fundamentals.

From the article:

> Chinese trading volumes now account for only around 5% – 10% of bitcoin’s or ethereum’s global trading volumes. With price there significantly lower.

Price is determined by market forces, and the Chinese part of the Bitcoin market is relatively small. So it makes sense when this type of news doesn't really impact it.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Why is it "crazy"? They are a sovereign nation.

So any action by a sovereign nation can always be described as "sane" or "reasonable"?

To me, calling them "crazy" is insulting to their culture and people. For the label to be justified, you'd have to argue the action contributes to ruin.

For example, I think the Venezuelan leadership has made crazy decisions that are being borne out now.

But, I would not put a ban on BBQ in that same category.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

#208

If miners shut down, mining rate slows, supply goes down, so price should go up. Right?

No.

Bitcoin algorithm automatically adjusts every 2016 blocks, to make the average block time 10 minutes. If the number of miners drops, the algorithm will adjust the difficulty of finding a 'good' hash. Meaning as an individual miner you have a better chance of finding the correct hash, but the overall network has the same rate.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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BTC noob here, please forgive me. My understanding is that you can send from any wallet to any other wallet, right? So what's to stop me from having wallets on both Huobi and LakeBTC, buying a BTC on Huobi for $3524 then transferring it to my LakeBTC wallet and selling it for $4282?

I understand arbitrage so I'm sure there's a step I'm missing, and I know there's often a delay between the order and fulfillment, fees etc, but a 21.5% spread between Huobi and LakeBTC seems like a lot.

Re: China Bans Bitcoin Executives from Leaving Country, Miners “Preparing for Worst”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does corporate brainwashing seem far-fetched to you? It happens all the time. Advertisements are all about brainwashing common people to buy things they don't really need.

How does advertising keep you "enslaved" exactly? I assume we're talking about the normal TV and internet ads kind

I think what your GP is arguing is that corporate advertisements are symptoms of a diseased economy, where much of critical infrastructure, luxury & healthcare is controlled by the few.
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