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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by 13thLetter »

comrh wrote: post #199
Karunamon wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "dogpiled", you mean "having your public communication using a hashtag responded to in public by lots of people". Volume of replies does not harassment make. > If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats. This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it.

This whole thread is just a great example of this comic: http://wondermark.com/1k62/

That comic, in turn, is just another efficient mechanism for evading criticism instead of answering it: as if the number of people making a criticism, whether large or small, has any connection to how valid the critique is. If someone was making racist remarks in a public venue and got a lot of angry pushback, would you dismiss that as "sealioning" too?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by icebraining »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #169
icebraining wrote: post #124

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I think I was clear in that I wasn't talking about isolated incidents. comrh wrote "the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people" , and Karunamon - who has also been defending GG on this thread - agreed. If a civil rights movement had started for the purpose of doing unacceptable acts, I would definitively judge the people who chose to associate with it. (Of course, I'd excuse a lot from a civ…

>Karunamon - who has also been defending GG on this thread - agreed. I'm not sure why Karunamon agreed, but I largely passed on this point because that is an argument that would only distract from the overall point. I would assume Karunamon wanted to not get mired down in that point as well. From what I have seen, I would say that it was not founded for that purpose, but there have been bad actors who have been a par…

What are some behaviors you would excuse from one but not the other?

Essential, I apply the right of self-defense to a group much like it does to individuals. The justified intensity of the action is relative to the injury being fought against (up to and including "shooting back").

The ethics of gaming journalism certainly don't deserve more than dispassionate criticism and factual accusations of impropriety.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by astrange »

Torgo wrote: post #91
chisleu wrote: post #16

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I don't think this is the case at all. Gamergate was noisy and annoying at it's best on 4chan. However, there have been many bans for posts wildly outside of gamergate, that were on SJW talking points. The reason gamergate was banned from 4chan is they kept posting pics of zoe and moot hanging out at conferences and bars and such.

Mods/janitors ruined /cgl/ (cosplay board) well before gamergate existed and it definitely had a (so-called, I dislike the term) "SJW" flavor.

Do you want /cgl/ to have more or less flaming? It's a very popular and active board and everyone is still pretty rude.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by [deleted] »

Karunamon wrote: post #196
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #133

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> People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it. This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it. If you even dare to talk about gamergate publicly, you will be dogpiled. If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats.

If by "dogpiled", you mean "having your public communication using a hashtag responded to in public by lots of people". Volume of replies does not harassment make. > If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats. This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it.

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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Sacho »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #154
thieving_magpie wrote: post #146

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I'm clearly asking for some names. You're avoiding the question. who are the "leaders of the movement"?

Well, one example would be Milo Yiannopoulos. A journalist with a murky past (screwing over staff working under him) and who, prior to joining gamergate, actively mocked video gamers.

Could you identify a call-to-action that Milo Yiannopoulos initiated, or any other manifestation of his leadership of GamerGate supporters? Has he started a campaign? Has he organized an event?

Milo is a journalist, not a leader.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by eropple »

exstudent2 wrote: post #197
eropple wrote: post #192

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I'm not conflating anything. I know the hard core of your movement. They are not new people to me. Their agendas are not hidden--and they're not even hidden within the noxious little vortex that you're chilling in, you just don't want to see it. Spend a little time amongst your buds where they think nobody's looking, like 8chan, and you'll get it. (Oh, but they're not "the real GamerGate", I am always assured. Except…

I'm not sure which boogeyman you're fighting but since you're talking to me all I can say is that I've never threatened anyone and never would (shouldn't even need to be said). Honestly, your condescending tone, immaturity and personal attacks are things I can't get on-board with. Being righteously indignant doesn't help you make your case.

Yes, I am righteously indignant. It is a fitting response to the sort of banal cruelty that permits evil to fester in its name. You have adopted as your fellow travelers people who use you to execute their openly misogynistic agendas and you have insulated yourself within their epistemic closure to avoid answering to the fallout of what the people you help have done. Your "but I'd never do that" is thus irrelevant and frankly just sad, because giving cover to monsters makes you culpable.

You choose, with open eyes and of free will, to help people hurt the defenseless, to hurt my friends. I can point at the people you hurt. They exist, in a way the shadows of fearful minds just don't. You are being a bad person. You should stop. But you won't, because to acknowledge one's own wrongdoings requires a sternness of character that is missing in some quarters of the human race, and no small amount of my own anger is at myself for believing I can change those who are too happy to be comfortable in their positions of power.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by exstudent2 »

eropple wrote: post #206
exstudent2 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which boogeyman you're fighting but since you're talking to me all I can say is that I've never threatened anyone and never would (shouldn't even need to be said). Honestly, your condescending tone, immaturity and personal attacks are things I can't get on-board with. Being righteously indignant doesn't help you make your case.

Yes, I am righteously indignant. It is a fitting response to the sort of banal cruelty that permits evil to fester in its name. You have adopted as your fellow travelers people who use you to execute their openly misogynistic agendas and you have insulated yourself within their epistemic closure to avoid answering to the fallout of what the people you help have done. Your "but I'd never do that" is thus irrelevant an…

No neither I nor my friends had anything to do with your friend. Stop making blanket accusations toward people who have nothing to do with your friend's drama.

Edit: You keep editing your reply, but the fact of the matter is no one has been hurt. You keep repeating it like fact but there is no harassment. There's a NARRATIVE that says gamers harass people but that's the whole point of GG, the media is spinning this stuff out of whole cloth.

If what you said about your friend was true, surely you called the police? I would hope so. Since there's been no arrests or police activity related to GG, it's safe to say what you're saying is made up or the police didn't actually find it credible.

It's you that needs to open your eyes. You're being taken for a ride and you're supporting an authoritarian view point and censorship along the way.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by chisleu »

astrodust wrote: post #170
chisleu wrote: post #148

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I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

4chan has an extremely non-SJW tilt. I wouldn't be surprised if the SJW term itself originated there as a pejorative. The site's founder, moot, had to cut all ties with the site as it turned into an angry mob. It's no longer a fun and happy place, there's an undercurrent of hate, fear, and misogyny.

To an extent, yes. However that doesn't change the fact that some of the mods are backing SJW causes, and banning because of it. They blew off gamergate because of all their noisy crap, in spite of the important things they were pushing for. /r/kotakuinaction has much of this information in the "best" post listing.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by mackwic »

eropple wrote: post #206
exstudent2 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which boogeyman you're fighting but since you're talking to me all I can say is that I've never threatened anyone and never would (shouldn't even need to be said). Honestly, your condescending tone, immaturity and personal attacks are things I can't get on-board with. Being righteously indignant doesn't help you make your case.

Yes, I am righteously indignant. It is a fitting response to the sort of banal cruelty that permits evil to fester in its name. You have adopted as your fellow travelers people who use you to execute their openly misogynistic agendas and you have insulated yourself within their epistemic closure to avoid answering to the fallout of what the people you help have done. Your "but I'd never do that" is thus irrelevant an…

exstudent2 made some really good points and you just answer it like an invocation in the church.

Seriously, we're not in the church here. It seems like a sensible matter to you and you seem angry, which will change nothing. So take a deep breath and go out to change your mind. There's nothing to win in this conversation and we will all be at the same place tomorrow. Take a break.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Nadya »

eropple wrote: post #206
exstudent2 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which boogeyman you're fighting but since you're talking to me all I can say is that I've never threatened anyone and never would (shouldn't even need to be said). Honestly, your condescending tone, immaturity and personal attacks are things I can't get on-board with. Being righteously indignant doesn't help you make your case.

Yes, I am righteously indignant. It is a fitting response to the sort of banal cruelty that permits evil to fester in its name. You have adopted as your fellow travelers people who use you to execute their openly misogynistic agendas and you have insulated yourself within their epistemic closure to avoid answering to the fallout of what the people you help have done. Your "but I'd never do that" is thus irrelevant an…

>None of the misogynistic toolbags have been chased from their homes, none of them have been confronted with credible threats to their lives and their families. It has not happened. The notion that it has is fictional at its core.

Going to stop you here. [0] A prominent member of #GG was doxed and fearing for her children she took a hiatus from the internet/movement altogether. She's also received several lovely pictures of her face covered in semen and was constantly harassed for being a prominent part of Gamergate.

However unlike you and people like you being so quick to assign fault to GG for anything bad that happens to you, she didn't give fault to the anti-GG side, but rather the individual who did it.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2tbbkg/a_fi...

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