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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Karunamon »

Nadya wrote: post #182
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #161

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> I think it's low effort nonsense. Have you ever actually made a video game yourself, or written a piece of literature? Do you appreciate the effort this actually takes? > Here's the thing - would those tens of thousands of people have seen it in the first place if Hernandez hadn't talked up her friend on Kotaku? Sure. For one thing, Quinn had at least that many Twitter followers. It's a game, also, that covers ment…

\\Edit I got DQ mixed up with another Twine game I had heard of at the time. This post can be more or less disregarded. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10254524 \\End Edit >Have you ever actually made a video game yourself, or written a piece of literature? Do you appreciate the effort this actually takes? Using the same tool ZQ used to make her game - it's literally 5-15 minutes online. The effort was next…

Eh, the quality of her game doesn't really matter anyways. It's interactive fiction with some graphics showing - it's hardly Call of Duty, but it does take a lot more than "15 minutes". Quinn is a game developer in the same sense that my gran playing Words With Friends on Facebook is a gamer - both terms still apply, even if casually.

Play around with something like Inform7 or even Twine with the interest of making a full story - it still takes a lot of thought.

Still, having played it, I'm not a fan (and that goes double since I've fought with depression and do not care for her treatment of the material!), and I think it comes off as amateur hour. I think Steam could do a lot better than IF-style "games" in general.

Good point WRT her Twitter following. I had not considered that.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by eropple »

exstudent2 wrote: post #190
eropple wrote: post #189

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No, it's not. Don't get me wrong: I am certain that you believe that. I am not calling you a liar. But you're wrong. The core of GamerGate is the same bunch of misogynistic tools who have been around for years, occasionally manifesting into a herpetic flare-up somewhere or other before going away again for a while. (They didn't come from 4chan, but they incubated there.) Guys like Milo Yiannopolous don't give a shit…

I think you're conflating hurting women and fighting feminism. They are not the same thing. I'm not a feminist but that doesn't mean I'm a misogynist. It just means I don't agree with the tactics and politics employed by feminists (as a political group). I can't speak for everyone in GG, but I think my opinion is shared with others. > None of the misogynistic toolbags have been chased from their homes, none of them h…

I'm not conflating anything. I know the hard core of your movement. They are not new people to me. Their agendas are not hidden--and they're not even hidden within the noxious little vortex that you're chilling in, you just don't want to see it. Spend a little time amongst your buds where they think nobody's looking, like 8chan, and you'll get it. (Oh, but they're not "the real GamerGate", I am always assured. Except that they're the straw that actually stirs the drink...because the rest are useful idiots.)

And for reals, nobody has had this happen? I've had a friend crash on my couch after your fellow travelers have doxxed her, emailed her pictures of her house, and said that they'd come to her house and "slit [her] throat like a pig." So you can turn this sideways and insert it back where it belongs.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by BgSpnnrs »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #159
mushtifaha wrote: post #44

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It is being continuosly harassed by people who claim they are fighting harassment, that's for sure. But I don't think that such strategy is going to pay off. You can't just yell harassment as means to abuse people into submission. Many have tried similar tactics in the past and it never works in the long run.

> It is being continuosly harassed by people who claim they are fighting harassment, that's for sure. Harassed? Which members of gamergate have been forced out of their homes?

I think Mike Cernovich did after he got doxxed and attempted swatted

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Uhhrrr »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #8
4ad wrote: post #3

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Can you be more specific? What are you talking about?

A lot of 4chan users got upset when moot banned gamergate, the thinly-disguised harassment campaign. Since gamergate characterises any opposition to it whatsoever as being from 'SJWs', 4chan mods are thus 'SJWs'.

They got upset because moot banned any discussion of GamerGate, including journalist conflicts of interest and censorship on other forums around the web. 4chan until then had had very few restrictions on speech. It was very unusual for posts to be removed for mentioning, say, that Kotaku's Nathan Grayson had given favorable coverage to close friends.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Nadya »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #186
Nadya wrote: post #182

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\\Edit I got DQ mixed up with another Twine game I had heard of at the time. This post can be more or less disregarded. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10254524 \\End Edit >Have you ever actually made a video game yourself, or written a piece of literature? Do you appreciate the effort this actually takes? Using the same tool ZQ used to make her game - it's literally 5-15 minutes online. The effort was next…

> Using the same tool ZQ used to make her game - it's literally 5-15 minutes online. The effort was next to nil. Writing something the length of Depression Quest, creating graphics, mapping out the story, quality assurance testing, composing music... this does not take 5 to 15 minutes. It is not nil effort. If you think it's so easy, please, go ahead and recreate Depression Quest from scratch in 15 minutes.

I'm going to have to apologize. I got DQ mixed up with a different hipster Twine game that I heard of at around the same timeframe. One that was no more than 10 or so panels and 3 lines of dialogue that also garnered a fair amount of attention. I confused the two (and no more than a brief Google search showed me that I had...)

At 40,000~ words + music/still graphics, DQ is a fair chunk of work.

Again, apologies. Definitely more than "next to nil" effort.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Karunamon »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #133
Karunamon wrote: post #41

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The start of it, sure. This is all public record at this point. Judging what exists now by what existed over a year ago is hardly fair. People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.

> People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it. This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it. If you even dare to talk about gamergate publicly, you will be dogpiled. If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats.

If by "dogpiled", you mean "having your public communication using a hashtag responded to in public by lots of people".

Volume of replies does not harassment make.

>If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats.

This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by exstudent2 »

eropple wrote: post #192
exstudent2 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're conflating hurting women and fighting feminism. They are not the same thing. I'm not a feminist but that doesn't mean I'm a misogynist. It just means I don't agree with the tactics and politics employed by feminists (as a political group). I can't speak for everyone in GG, but I think my opinion is shared with others. > None of the misogynistic toolbags have been chased from their homes, none of them h…

I'm not conflating anything. I know the hard core of your movement. They are not new people to me. Their agendas are not hidden--and they're not even hidden within the noxious little vortex that you're chilling in, you just don't want to see it. Spend a little time amongst your buds where they think nobody's looking, like 8chan, and you'll get it. (Oh, but they're not "the real GamerGate", I am always assured. Except…

I'm not sure which boogeyman you're fighting but since you're talking to me all I can say is that I've never threatened anyone and never would (shouldn't even need to be said).

Honestly, your condescending tone, immaturity and personal attacks are things I can't get on-board with. Being righteously indignant doesn't help you make your case.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by ue_ »

userbinator wrote: post #9

Note that 2channel's URL is not 2chan.net, but 2ch.net, and it's a text-only site. It is more commonly known as "2ch". It's interesting to see that both 2ch/2chan have not really changed since they were created, whereas 4chan went through quite a bit of "modernising". I wonder if 4chan might start turning back to a 2ch/2chan-ish style with this.

I really like the 2chan style, it's simple and nostalgia-inducing. The 4chan modernisations such as the thread title in the URL, the removal of the e-mail field, the re-numbering of pages starting from 0 to 1.

It would be much nicer if they could put on a version of Futallaby with a modification for image replies (I believe Saguaro does this) or use Wakaba (much more featured, but using Perl).

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by comrh »

Karunamon wrote: post #196
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it. This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it. If you even dare to talk about gamergate publicly, you will be dogpiled. If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats.

If by "dogpiled", you mean "having your public communication using a hashtag responded to in public by lots of people". Volume of replies does not harassment make. > If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats. This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it.

This whole thread is just a great example of this comic: http://wondermark.com/1k62/

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by comrh »

exstudent2 wrote: post #184
eropple wrote: post #181

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Those goalposts are heavy, aren't they? I mean, that's interesting, but it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. So what's your point, exactly? Don't get me wrong: I love you guys. You have made "SJW" a desirable thing to be. I'm just not big on this whole dishonesty kick.

> it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. That is my point. GamerGate isn't about harassment, it's about media, censorship, journalism, centralized vs. decentralized control and a bunch of other stuff.

You can keep saying that but it has a long, well documented history of harassment. It might be about those other things too but I strongly feel that name has been poisoned beyond recovery.
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