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EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Highly doubt it, the EU is not the same as the UK. The precedent set by the USB C is in line with Apple complying.

Although, rumor is that Apple complying with the USB-C directive was just a stop-gap on the way to them removing the charging port altogether. https://www.macrumors.com/2025/03/16/slimmer-iphones-without...

That's fine, they need to support USB-C on whatever dock it needs to sit on to charge.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Highly doubt it, the EU is not the same as the UK. The precedent set by the USB C is in line with Apple complying.

Although, rumor is that Apple complying with the USB-C directive was just a stop-gap on the way to them removing the charging port altogether. https://www.macrumors.com/2025/03/16/slimmer-iphones-without...

Portless is necessary for the foldable iPhone model to approach the size of a current iPhone when folded.

For iPhone Pro, USB-c has uses beyond charging, e.g. SSDs for video recording, or desktop docking as macOS and iOS converge with VisionOS.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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This sounds highly unlikely, as it would drastically hurt the sales of adjacent devices and accessories. In my opinion, the most likely outcome is the Apple regular, where they release docs, but the docs are so bad that they're practically unworkable.

If Apple has the choice to give up developing products in a controlled, vertically integrated manner OR losing a substantial fraction of EU device and accessory sales, I don’t think that’s a hard one for them. We already see it in another regulatory regime, with AI features coming much later to the EU, if at all.

This is a false dichotomy: Noone is forbidding Apple doing intergration of their products. The DMA simply forbids barring competitors from the same access.

Just compare how Apple cripples third party smartwatches on ios.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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I expect Apple will react to this by scaling down the sophistication and breadth of features they make available to EU users. That most of these capabilities exist at all reflects Apple’s belief that they’re a way to differentiate their (closed) ecosystem through vertical integration. If the EU takes that away, Apple’s motivation to invest in these areas for EU customers goes away, too.

> I expect Apple will react to this by scaling down the sophistication and breadth of features they make available to EU users.

You mean that Apple will fight this war over the user's back?

That's one more reason to not buy Apple.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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As cool how unified the Apple ecosystem is, I do think the EU is right that it's extremely unfair for Apple to give its own smartwatches access to the phone that other smartwatches have zero chance of getting access to.

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Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Dropping their second biggest region, which makes them 25% of revenue sounds unlikely. Especially as it's just putting that money into competitors' pockets.

They don’t have to drop it entirely, they just stop enabling features there that would trigger the EU’s gatekeeper requirements. It will hurt their competitiveness and sales, but that’s a relatively small price to pay vs. giving up the product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 years.

> product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 year

That's an interesting way to phrase not supporting non-Apple interoperability.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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EU forgets that this kind of overzealous, micromanaging intervention only reduces incentives to innovate new features and products. If the EU forces companies with a competitive edge (better software, in this case) to make it available to their competitors, what’s the point?

I can make my own decisions about which platforms and software to use, thank you very much. I don’t need or want EU to force companies to build software and products a certain way for some pipe-dream goal of making everything "interoperable."

And if anything, given that EU has repeatedly failed to implement sensible tech regulation, why should the same institution have the authority to dictate how tech businesses build their products?

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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If Apple has the choice to give up developing products in a controlled, vertically integrated manner OR losing a substantial fraction of EU device and accessory sales, I don’t think that’s a hard one for them. We already see it in another regulatory regime, with AI features coming much later to the EU, if at all.

> OR losing a substantial fraction of EU device and accessory sales, I don’t think that’s a hard one for them. It isn't hard at all. "Develop stuff the way we want, or lose sales" is really not a hard decision at all. Funny how you end up with an answer that defies all common and business sense > with AI features coming much later to the EU, if at all. They are coming despite all of Apple's posturing, and on a schedu…

Revamped AI is delayed to 2027 anyway.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Dropping their second biggest region, which makes them 25% of revenue sounds unlikely. Especially as it's just putting that money into competitors' pockets.

They don’t have to drop it entirely, they just stop enabling features there that would trigger the EU’s gatekeeper requirements. It will hurt their competitiveness and sales, but that’s a relatively small price to pay vs. giving up the product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 years.

Picking an ecosystem with working and chaper peripherials vs one with partially-working and more expensive peripherials seems like an easy choice for consumers.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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I expect Apple will react to this by scaling down the sophistication and breadth of features they make available to EU users. That most of these capabilities exist at all reflects Apple’s belief that they’re a way to differentiate their (closed) ecosystem through vertical integration. If the EU takes that away, Apple’s motivation to invest in these areas for EU customers goes away, too.

Lots of stuff is going to shift away from Mac / windows in the next years. If apple assumes they can get away with this tactic they’ll lose even more market share.

Not because the alternatives are better, but just because the exceptions that were made from valid legislation will not be prolonged in face of the “New American Way”.

All hinges on the future of the TDPF.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/tech/news/deafening-commiss...

Lots of public servants will have to suffer through Linux desktops.

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