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Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

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Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#21

Where are the performance per watt numbers? Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget. Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers (TCO) and consumer devices (battery life).

Well, the article is speaking about the M2 ultra, which only going to be used in the Mac pro under Mac studio, both desktop computers.

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#23

Where are the performance per watt numbers? Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget. Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers (TCO) and consumer devices (battery life).

> Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget

Not really. No.

> Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers

Assuming performance can be combined.

You can't get the same performances of an Nvidia RTX 4080 using 2 M2

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#25

Where are the performance per watt numbers? Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget. Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers (TCO) and consumer devices (battery life).

Not always, if you are connected to a source of electricity and doing something limited by speed performance is critical.

For me, Desktop use is almost perfect on Apple due to battery life and perf but professional use is much better on Intel/AMD+NVidia. Also you could get much more perf for $ on such machines

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#26

This and the introduction of the new slower less expandable - at least with respect to GPUs and memory - is indicative that it was a mistake for Apple to completely transition to ARM and should have kept high end options on Intel until they had a better GPU story to tell. They already had the Mac Studio, they could have kept the Mac Pro on Intel.

3rd party GPUs don’t mesh with the Metal strategy. Apple dropped and deprecated OpenGL a long time ago - and they’re the only one building metal GPUs

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#27

50% slower than the absolute best of class NVIDIA discrete GPU offering that consumes massively more wattage is hardly a damning statement.

My M1 Pro is about 33% as fast as a box with a 3060 in it on PyTorch and obviously it is way more efficient and doesn't require a special power supply, which is just taken for granted as something you have to do with a PC.

The best case this article can make is that if you need to play the latest game or do intense ML stuff you probably want NVIDIA, but that's the same as it ever was.

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#28

This and the introduction of the new slower less expandable - at least with respect to GPUs and memory - is indicative that it was a mistake for Apple to completely transition to ARM and should have kept high end options on Intel until they had a better GPU story to tell. They already had the Mac Studio, they could have kept the Mac Pro on Intel.

The Intel Mac pro was too slow, unless you mean refreshing it, which I doubt is possible, because apple doesn't want to do anything related to X86 anymore.

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#29
post #5

Ahhaha, Intel's TDP is 2-4 times bigger under full load (and I guess ~10-15x under moderate load) while having negligible perf advantage over M2. The author can not be serious.

> Intel's TDP is 2-4 times bigger under full load

Never been a problem, even when Intel TDP was 20x worse than today.

EDIT: the author forgot that the tested system is an M2 Ultra a desktop class system with a TDP of 90 watts

The i9-13900T and i7-13700T come in at a max turbo power of just 106W

which is just 1.2x

Re: Apple M2 Ultra SoC isn’t faster than AMD and Intel last year desktop CPUs

#30
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if that matters on a desktop?

It matters when comparing performance numbers in general?

Depending on the usage, it why AMDs efficiency is impressive on laptops, but not so important on the desktop.
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