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Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by dmitrygr »

nerdbaggy wrote: post #17

Seems that lots of people only think ADHD people have a hard time paying attention. If it was that simple I would be so happy. Here are just a few of the things I struggle with. - Will power. People with ADHD struggle sooooo much with will power. It’s a constant struggle with everything in life and really wears you down. - Constantly putting on a fake front pretending you don’t have ADHD. - Rejection sensitivity - Fe…

All of those fit me. In Russia as a kid I was diagnosed with "sit down, shut up, and read books like everyone else in your class, or else..."

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by thonos »

runawaybottle wrote: post #19
nerdbaggy wrote: post #17

Seems that lots of people only think ADHD people have a hard time paying attention. If it was that simple I would be so happy. Here are just a few of the things I struggle with. - Will power. People with ADHD struggle sooooo much with will power. It’s a constant struggle with everything in life and really wears you down. - Constantly putting on a fake front pretending you don’t have ADHD. - Rejection sensitivity - Fe…

None of you ever want to hear it, but everyone goes through this. It’s the human condition. I’m an addict, and I’ve just justified with Herculean levels of mental gymnastics to keep abusing drugs/alcohol. There’s nothing you can say to me, I will convince myself it’s fine. Edit: I spent most of my youth playing video games for 5+ hours daily. I had zero work ethic. It caught up to me and I worked hard to fix it, and…

> None of you ever want to hear it, but everyone goes through this. It’s the human condition.

Comments like this make me angry because it shows how much of a disconnect there is with taking ADHD serious. It's like saying to a depressed person to "just don't be sad and focus on something fun".

Sure everyone struggles, but imagine those struggles cranked up by 20x. You overthink EVERYTHING, you're driven by random impulses that make you focus on something new and shiny, that make you yourself believe that this is not an impulsive, but this time something worth committing to, just to lose interest 2 weeks later.

Small negative things like someone not replying to your message right away can result in dysphoric episodes without medicine and completely crush your motivation for days.

You drop everything to do dumb things like replying to your comment even though I should be working right now, but I can't not do it, my brain just doesn't let go.

My brain always works in extremes without a middle-setting. Either I'm 100% into something, or I am so not interested that doing mundane things that don't have an immediate urgency feel like having a tooth pulled out and I'd rather do anything else instead. Try translating that to more boring tasks at work and you can see how this becomes a problem.

The list goes on and on and on. Living with ADHD is a nightmare and constant struggle.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by Jarwain »

nerdbaggy wrote: post #20
runawaybottle wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of you ever want to hear it, but everyone goes through this. It’s the human condition. I’m an addict, and I’ve just justified with Herculean levels of mental gymnastics to keep abusing drugs/alcohol. There’s nothing you can say to me, I will convince myself it’s fine. Edit: I spent most of my youth playing video games for 5+ hours daily. I had zero work ethic. It caught up to me and I worked hard to fix it, and…

Spoken like somebody who doesn’t have ADHD. It sound stupid but it’s the truth. You can’t come close to relating if you don’t have it.

It's weird right, because the experience _is_ something everyone goes through but for adhd individuals it is more difficult in a way that's quantifiably describable but difficult to quantitatively convey

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by Jarwain »

Jarwain wrote: post #23
nerdbaggy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like somebody who doesn’t have ADHD. It sound stupid but it’s the truth. You can’t come close to relating if you don’t have it.

It's weird right, because the experience _is_ something everyone goes through but for adhd individuals it is more difficult in a way that's quantifiably describable but difficult to quantitatively convey

s/quantitatively convey/qualitatively convey

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by wdn »

This is a bad idea. Good idea for parents who don’t want to spend time with their kids.

When my son was 2, maybe 3, one of the best neurologist in my state diagnosed my son with mild ADHD. He was not talking either.

If med was available, I sure would sign up and give it to him. I was simply “too busy” with work. Instead of playing with him after work, I got busy with other “projects”.

I only got awakening up after my wife lectured me. From the moment on, I spent a lot more time with my children. As it turned out, he does not has ADHD and turned out really bright and have a lot of friends at school.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by neolog »

Someone1234 wrote: post #8
alea_iacta_est wrote: post #5

We normalize our children behavior with pills while celebrating diversity in adults. Interesting times...

Do people "celebrate" ADHD-like dysfunction in adults? Seems like a lot of adults struggle substantially with those issues (in particular without a diagnosis).

> ADHD-like dysfunction in adults

If a lot of people are struggling with the institutions, it's probably the institutions that are the problem. Not the people.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by runawaybottle »

thonos wrote: post #22
runawaybottle wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of you ever want to hear it, but everyone goes through this. It’s the human condition. I’m an addict, and I’ve just justified with Herculean levels of mental gymnastics to keep abusing drugs/alcohol. There’s nothing you can say to me, I will convince myself it’s fine. Edit: I spent most of my youth playing video games for 5+ hours daily. I had zero work ethic. It caught up to me and I worked hard to fix it, and…

> None of you ever want to hear it, but everyone goes through this. It’s the human condition. Comments like this make me angry because it shows how much of a disconnect there is with taking ADHD serious. It's like saying to a depressed person to "just don't be sad and focus on something fun". Sure everyone struggles, but imagine those struggles cranked up by 20x. You overthink EVERYTHING, you're driven by random impu…

It’s all good. Been there done that, it helps pay the bills and get good grades. If you don’t overdo it who is to tell you anything is wrong.

There’s absolutely no difference between the stuff you described and the stuff an average person with zero discipline or work ethic deals with.

It‘a the slackers in high school who never studied and passed everything that can’t handle they spent 18 years not developing serious work ethic. That’s all it’s ever been. They get rocked in high level college classes and their ego makes them pursue knowledge jobs which they aren’t cut out for (yet).

It’s standard recipe for lying to yourself. But anyways, there’s a drug for that.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by nerdbaggy »

Jarwain wrote: post #23
nerdbaggy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like somebody who doesn’t have ADHD. It sound stupid but it’s the truth. You can’t come close to relating if you don’t have it.

It's weird right, because the experience _is_ something everyone goes through but for adhd individuals it is more difficult in a way that's quantifiably describable but difficult to quantitatively convey

Very well put!

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by rgifford »

ADHD, diabetes, depression, anxiety, heart disease, suicide and obesity are all labels for defects of human physiology that exist or come to exist from sitting and focusing on one thing (usually alone) for long periods of time. Labeling in this way has the funny consequence of taking onus off the societal arrangement that creates these conditions. I wonder, is this an active discussion in the medical community?

The entire medical ontology around many of these diseases just seems to accept society and/or disregard its role. If we didn't know about lead poisoning, I imagine we'd have all sorts of medical names for its various consequences and pills to fix those consequences.

From what I understand the fix for these modern illnesses is walking more, working less, spending more time with loved ones, and specifically spending more time educating kids face-to-face. Anyone know more than me on this? Is my understanding way oversimplified here?

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by runawaybottle »

Jarwain wrote: post #23
nerdbaggy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like somebody who doesn’t have ADHD. It sound stupid but it’s the truth. You can’t come close to relating if you don’t have it.

It's weird right, because the experience _is_ something everyone goes through but for adhd individuals it is more difficult in a way that's quantifiably describable but difficult to quantitatively convey

It’s called ‘inability to accept that you need to actually put more effort into things, and it’s not going to be fun’. Again, been there, done that.

What is one of the classic bullshit things about it again, you can ‘hyperfocus’ on things you like but can’t on things you don’t like. Gosh. Yeah that’s everyone, and everyone sucks it up and finds a way to deal with it.

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