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Re: iOS 7

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Post by etler »

jmduke wrote: post #34

Man, iOS 7 feedback is incredibly frustrating for no reason that actually matters. I feel like I spent the past few years falling in love with flat design, on mobile and on the web -- and I read article after article from historically pro-Apple bloggers/authors explaining that no, flat design was fundamentally a bad move: the strongest metaphor is that of the phone as a tool -- that we needed skeumorphism, we need hi…

My impression was that people responded favorably to flat design. Look at the web as a whole and you can see that much if not most of it is embracing flat design. Sure there was backlash for it, but skeumorphism also had tons of backlash as well.

The thing that I have noticed about the iOS 7 feedback is that people think that Apple implemented a flat design in a very ugly way. Maybe it's because they're behind the curve because they're late to the party. Maybe it'll get better, but everything I've heard so far is about the poor use of colors, gradients, and unnecessarily noisy effects, not about flat design being bad.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by etler »

I don't think there are many people that disagree with the points this guy has brought up. But he doesn't really bring up the things that people actually are complaining about. There are many aspects of the UI that are very garish and not very polished. Sure, the UX might be great but people notice the UI first, and that's where much of the backlash is coming from. I think it's compounded by Apple's history of having their initial UI unveilings showing a much more polished look than they have with iOS7.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by vacri »

dorian-graph wrote: post #183
encoderer wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read there are still a huge number of show-stopping bugs in iOS7. Things like using a date picker causing a kernel panic. How are you running it? On a tertiary device or on your phone? Just curious.

I'm not FireBeyond but I've been using iOS 7 effectively all day yesterday (I'm in Australia) on my primary phone (iPhone 5) and it's crashed to reboot maybe twice, that's all. The majority of apps I use work perfectly or have tiny things that don't and some visual aberrations. Date picker, for example, has been fine in the instances I've used it. It's very stable and there is little lag. There's a ton of small bugs…

How does 'crashed to reboot twice in a day' convert to 'it's very stable'?

It's this wilful disregard of negatives that bugs me about Apple culture. The good things are lauded, the bad things are ignored, unless they're bad things in other OSes, then they're highlighted as why Apple stuff is better.

It's like at my last workplace, the Apple fan who was always getting another box from Foxconn telling me that Android was crap because he occasionally saw me swipe twice on my phone - ignoring that he was doing the same on his iphone. He didn't realise it until I pointed it out to him that he was doing it. It's a really odd cultural phenomenon.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by gurkendoktor »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #102
dylangs1030 wrote: post #60

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This is not a fair response to the industry in my opinion. iOS 7 is not just "flat" - at the risk of sounding like a fanboy, it's so much more than that. You're judging it based on the most obvious first impression - the icons and such. Those can be improved, yes (especially Safari's...) but you're not reviewing the actual interface. I'm typing this comment on iOS 7 and I assure you it feels smoother. There are kinks…

>> "I encourage you to download iOS 7's beta and try it out if you can" I wouldn't be encouraging anyone to do that unless they are a developer, need to do it, and have a spare, non production device to do it on.

The list of known issues with Apple's own apps is available along with the DMG. I only reverted because one third-party app I depend on was totally FUBAR.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by gurkendoktor »

90002 wrote: post #111
k-mcgrady wrote: post #100

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>> "(People arguing 'its just a beta, it'll obviously change over time': what happened to Apple's relentless pursuit of quality before introducing something to the public? What's the point of secrecy if you're showing off v0.8 and not v1.0?) " They haven't really introduced it to the public. They introduced it to developers at a developer conference so they can prepare their software for it. Every single iOS release…

Agreed, folks are far too critical for a beta release that has yet to evolve. Of course, there are still major improvements that need to be addressed, but people need to understand that Apple will not ship anything shitty when it comes time to release it to the general public.

How are complaints about the new Safari icon different from complaints about leather iCal in its time, or even Ping? This is not a leaked alpha version, this is what Apple is publicly marketing, and I don't see where they have a record of ever backtracking (in less than two major releases).

Re: iOS 7

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Post by vacri »

I don't understand why one 'answer call' screen (the one with the woman) does not have a 'decline' option, and the other (with the man) does have 'decline'. How do you decline a call for the first caller? What's the difference between these two kinds of call?

Re: iOS 7

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Post by gurkendoktor »

jmduke wrote: post #56
jamesaguilar wrote: post #48

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Most people are saying the same things about Apple as they said about Microsoft with the flat design stuff. This is one of the few positive articles I've seen on HN about iOS 7. I don't understand why you are frustrated reading about this OS when the vast majority of what's been written so far essentially agrees with what you've said. You'd prefer no dissenting articles rather than a handful? Anyway, even if Apple we…

I don't understand why you are frustrated reading about this OS when the vast majority of what's been written so far essentially agrees with what you've said. Perhaps our browsing history is different: I've read negative feedback about iOS 7 but it's mainly from the Dribbble crowd. I'd say the majority of the feedback from the tech press/blogosphere has been gushing. Anyway, even if Apple were broadly being lauded fo…

> I'd say the majority of the feedback from the tech press/blogosphere has been gushing.

I've only talked to programmer-ish, long-term Apple fans about iOS 7 and they aren't gushing about the interface at all (new APIs are a different story).

In fact, I felt that iOS 7 was trying to woo the "Dribbble crowd" if there is one - I have never seen another website that was so obsessed with weather apps & widgets. It felt like a parody of designer narcissism when the iOS 7 weather app was demoed, and feedback about that bit has been positive.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by rralian »

rednukleus wrote: post #159
dionidium wrote: post #116

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Thank you for explaining exactly what the parent's comment made me feel better than I could. If you read a bunch of different people's opinions, then you shouldn't be surprised that what you get is a bunch of different opinions . Furthermore, why is the parent so interested in this idea of "Apple Users" as a group, anyway? There isn't really any such group (or, to the extent that there is, it's a very small group).

There was a significant group of vocal "Apple Users" who have spent a great deal of time over the last couple of years slagging off WP and Android for "bad design" and "stealing". It's to be expected that when Apple borrowed so heavily from WP and Android in this release that there are going to be strong reactions. It's perfectly normal for companies to be inspired by eachother and to incorporate the best elements of…

Maybe I don't spend enough time in the forums, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone say anything bad about windows phone, other than the lack of apps, which really isn't the fault of the OS. I've seen pretty universal praise.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by r00fus »

hop wrote: post #134

After using it for a day -- Great: Picture organization. Airdrop, this will be big. No more search field/page when you slide left on the home screen! Slide up settings is helpful (wish they had a link to settings.app there too. Screenshots of background apps are helpful. App store is back to vertical scrolling for the top charts. Safari top and bottom nav shrink when you are scrolling a site. Not great: New keyboard…

Are your third party cables MFI certified? (e.g.: I just bought a bunch on monoprice that are MFI, I hope they work in iOS7)

Re: iOS 7

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Post by jsz0 »

paganel wrote: post #78
toyg wrote: post #61

I don't care about flatness or skeutransmogrification or whatnot, but the damn thing must WORK. Look at his iMessage screen comparison [1]: yes, the old screen looks a bit geocities, but you can actually read text very well; the new screen is almost unreadable. The prime aim of iMessage is to make people read text, not to look cool. It doesn't matter if there are options to thicken the font -- the whole point of OSX/…

From a fellow know-nothing when it comes to "flatness" and skeu-something I was a little bit surprised when the author complained that the old "receive a call" interface was full with alert-like buttons. They are supposed to be "Alert" buttons, for crying out loud, as in you're asleep in your bed, the phone starts ringing which means you have been "alerted", you're now woken up and ready to answer the call or deny it…

Not sure why it doesn't appear in the screenshots but it's definitely there. Used it today on iOS7 B1.
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