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Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by ethbr1 »

echelon wrote: post #47
troupo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Slack won't open up their data moat to AI, which is shameful. Ah yes. It's shameful that Slack won't open data moat to AI. You know, those millions of chats (including private data) by people who didn't give consent to this

> You know, those millions of chats (including private data) by people who didn't give consent to this I'm pretty sure the company you work for owns your work chat, and that what you say on company slack constitutes business information. There are a lot of things people don't consent to. Being born. Breathing in the air molecules that come from other people's bodies. Looking at ugly things. Hearing annoying sounds. I…

It's amazing how every reply failed to realize you're (and post was) talking about (a) enterprise Slack usage & (b) AI use by the company itself.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by lesuorac »

khaosdoctor wrote: post #156
xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No wonder the game failed, they were busy focusing on some internal chat tool

Precise argument here

So what you're saying is I should build a game engine first before making my game and then I can pivot into selling game engines?

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by pcthrowaway »

Robdel12 wrote: post #149
malchow wrote: post #56

For those who may have forgotten, Mattermost is quite good these days: https://mattermost.com/

Ha, I’ve had a Mattermost instance for years until they handicapped the most recent version by limiting the number of messages on the self hosted version. I ended up building my own alternative and was going to OSS it but like… there’s already a bunch out there. Anyway, Mattermost might not be the choice these days. With that stunt I was annoyed enough to spend a weekend to replace what they were to me.

> I ended up building my own alternative and was going to OSS it but like… there’s already a bunch out there.

I'm not aware of anything besides Zulip.. what am I missing?

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by sathish316 »

xemoka wrote: post #11

This is just crazy. Lets ask the power company to build some trains for us. They transport electricity, they _must_ know about transporting people. They can power the lines themselves! If this was so easy, teams wouldn't suck, matrix would be everywhere, and discord would be replaced already by the furries (as much as stoat is trying).

Cowork Chat. Anthropic can do this.

What is wrong with this line of thinking? Anthropic is the power company that has a 3D printer to make a faster Maglev than anyone.

If Enterprise companies are restrictive to make your own data their only moat, that moat can be broken. Have you tried building any AI agent or using an AI product with Slack MCP? This is one of the hardest problems in SaaS data access and Slack tries to literally block any form of API or OAuth based access. Even Google workspace is not that restrictive and has opened up a cli for the workspace.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by darth_avocado »

hunterpayne wrote: post #102
mbb70 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "almost no competition" >> "costs way too much" >> "It's not like chat is a hard problem" Surely these statements can't all be true. Since Slack is expensive and has little competition, I think chat is a harder problem than you think.

Its not hard. Its capital intensive with a low profit margin. So it doesn't attract a lot of competition because you can make more money in other ways that have moats. There are at least a dozen other chat apps, some of which are decades old. To have a successful chat business, you need the network effect of lots of users (big marketing spend), you need lots of capital for operations (big spend on disks and compute)…

You can offload the cost of operations to the end user if you’re B2B. Sell the software as licenses the old school way and offload the cost by allowing users to run their own instances either on prem or on cloud.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by darth_avocado »

ethbr1 wrote: post #191
echelon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know, those millions of chats (including private data) by people who didn't give consent to this I'm pretty sure the company you work for owns your work chat, and that what you say on company slack constitutes business information. There are a lot of things people don't consent to. Being born. Breathing in the air molecules that come from other people's bodies. Looking at ugly things. Hearing annoying sounds. I…

It's amazing how every reply failed to realize you're (and post was) talking about (a) enterprise Slack usage & (b) AI use by the company itself .

I operate with the assumption that the company can access my private DMs on enterprise slack if they want to. With that, users are still allowed to be concerned if the company is going to use that information for AI use cases. I’d prefer that all AI stay away from my private DMs.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by linkjuice4all »

paradox460 wrote: post #82
xemoka wrote: post #11

This is just crazy. Lets ask the power company to build some trains for us. They transport electricity, they _must_ know about transporting people. They can power the lines themselves! If this was so easy, teams wouldn't suck, matrix would be everywhere, and discord would be replaced already by the furries (as much as stoat is trying).

General electric did produce locomotives for decades

GE and others also had marketing campaigns that pushed electric appliances [0]. Yes, GE did make consumer appliances but they also made many production and supply components so it was clearly in their interest to promote this new wonder to build demand and a customer base.

It's almost shocking that these AI companies aren't "magicking" up open source replacements for things like Slack, even as just a proof-of-concept. And if not the providers directly, this seems like an easy win for agencies/organizations that build crap to show off "how good they are at AI".

Lastly, where's the one-person start up that's putting Slack, JIRA, and Photoshop out of business? I believe in the value of these tools but there's clearly more progress required before we can type in "replace slack and generate me a million dollars, make no mistakes".

[0] https://dahp.wa.gov/live-better-electrically-the-gold-medall...

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by sathish316 »

cush wrote: post #71
xemoka wrote: post #11

This is just crazy. Lets ask the power company to build some trains for us. They transport electricity, they _must_ know about transporting people. They can power the lines themselves! If this was so easy, teams wouldn't suck, matrix would be everywhere, and discord would be replaced already by the furries (as much as stoat is trying).

The title is the issue. They're just asking for group chats with Claude

It might be extremely expensive to build Claude into every group chat.

A better option is to have Claude as an assistant or bot in every group chat and triggered when needed. That is just a different interface for Claude or Cowork chat with the group chat context.

Leaving aside the implementation details, the call for action here is valid since Slack is a black hole of your enterprise data and tribal knowledge and Slack is extremely restrictive. Try using Slack MCP in Claude Chat or any AI product

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by sanilnz »

This is funny thought to because after FiveTran bought census they have upped a bill from 30K to 180K for same running service, syncing to a couple of Google sheets. We are comfortable with maintaining the service now and built with Claude Code, moving service in house.

So question why do we need Five team by same argument?

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by theptip »

I think Jira / Linear is the more likely next target. They just promoted Todos to Tasks (with dependencies), and you’ll need some more mature solution for agent swarms.

Cowork / Code are interfaces for individual knowledge workers, the PM / EM team orchestration layer is the obvious play for ‘26.

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