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Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by mbb70 »

echelon wrote: post #33
xemoka wrote: post #11

This is just crazy. Lets ask the power company to build some trains for us. They transport electricity, they _must_ know about transporting people. They can power the lines themselves! If this was so easy, teams wouldn't suck, matrix would be everywhere, and discord would be replaced already by the furries (as much as stoat is trying).

No. This is a CEO expressing righteous indignation about a company that provides (seemingly) little value and has almost no competition. Slack won't open up their data moat to AI, which is shameful. And Slack costs way too much. If there were any competitors, the price would drop significantly. It's not like chat is a hard problem. And Slack's app is an absolute bear.

>> "almost no competition"

>> "costs way too much"

>> "It's not like chat is a hard problem"

Surely these statements can't all be true. Since Slack is expensive and has little competition, I think chat is a harder problem than you think.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by Haksak »

Yes, let's Anthropic have all your salary negotiations, private conversations, rebukes from managers and corporate secrets. That is a great idea.

Perhaps that info can be fed into Maven, too, in case a domestic dissenters need to be targeted.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by senko »

troupo wrote: post #25
j45 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Code could absolutely build a chat client in the hands of someone who could also build the rest around it. Slack itself originally ran on irc servers as the back end, and I consider it a modern IRC implementation.

> Claude Code could absolutely build a chat client in the hands of someone who could also build the rest around it. So why can't Anthropic build a CLI client that doesn't flickr and doesn't consume 68 GB to run a CLI wrapper on top of their API? https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/2026497606575398987

That's still light years better than Slack.

The thing lags a few seconds while typing a message on a 20 core 128g ram machine. That's with their desktop (electron) app. Mercifully, the web app works better.

Still, CC blows it out of water. Slack is that bad.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by bigyabai »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #32
trjordan wrote: post #10

A similar argument to OpenAI: https://www.latent.space/p/ainews-why-openai-should-build-sl...

Yeah, but now I wouldn't touch anything from that company with a ten foot pole, even if they made the best Slack replacement ever.

Considering their Palantir partnership, I'm not sure I'd touch an Anthropic-designed slack either.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by a3w »

godelski wrote: post #12

Why ask Anthropic? Why not build on something better like Matrix? Or Signal?[0] Or even Keybase? I really do agree we need to move away from Slack and Discord, but I'm also very confused why the call to action is to Anthropic. IMO we should really be pushing for open systems so that nobody can take it from us. Otherwise we repeat the cycle again and again. There's some good protocols to start on. I'd also say this is…

They seem to not want a messenger, they want a multiuser-first prompt.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by echelon »

troupo wrote: post #39
echelon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This is a CEO expressing righteous indignation about a company that provides (seemingly) little value and has almost no competition. Slack won't open up their data moat to AI, which is shameful. And Slack costs way too much. If there were any competitors, the price would drop significantly. It's not like chat is a hard problem. And Slack's app is an absolute bear.

> Slack won't open up their data moat to AI, which is shameful. Ah yes. It's shameful that Slack won't open data moat to AI. You know, those millions of chats (including private data) by people who didn't give consent to this

> You know, those millions of chats (including private data) by people who didn't give consent to this

I'm pretty sure the company you work for owns your work chat, and that what you say on company slack constitutes business information.

There are a lot of things people don't consent to. Being born. Breathing in the air molecules that come from other people's bodies. Looking at ugly things. Hearing annoying sounds. It'll be okay.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by mgraczyk »

ellg wrote: post #7
mgraczyk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack is $45/user/month Soon you'll be able to write, host, and maintain a fully customizable version for probably 20k/month If you have a lot of employees this makes sense

If people wanted to do this theyd be self hosting xmpp servers already. No one wants to write and maintain the code and infra for things like this, you are grossly underestimating the effort involved here.

No they wouldn't have Nobody will write this, AI will write the entire thing. You don't need many people to maintain it

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by toraway »

sp1nningaway wrote: post #29

What a strange thing to post on a corporate CEO blog - proof that AI is making it too easy create things without asking why. How does it serve Fivetran to post open letter about why Slack sucks? This only happens if it's easy to write a couple bullet points and have Claude fill in the rest... If an LLM wasn't used they would have realized it wasn't worth a post during the process of writing it.

It's a retread of another (also baffling) "Why OpenAI Should Build Slack" post from a popular AI Substack.

Just more empty grist for the AI adjacent content mill. "Slack sucks" doesn't let you draft off the current hype zeitgest, so we get "content" like this.

https://www.latent.space/p/ainews-why-openai-should-build-sl...

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Post by xemoka »

johnfn wrote: post #27
xemoka wrote: post #11

This is just crazy. Lets ask the power company to build some trains for us. They transport electricity, they _must_ know about transporting people. They can power the lines themselves! If this was so easy, teams wouldn't suck, matrix would be everywhere, and discord would be replaced already by the furries (as much as stoat is trying).

Is it really so different than asking the search company back in '01 to make a mail client, a browser, a maps app, ...?

They didn't, no one asked google to do it. It was Paul Buchheit's 20% project. Google saw a good thing, solved by someone who knew what they were doing and where they wanted it to go, and fostered it. Hell, it is what built AdWords and ultimately made google the advertising behemoth it is today. I don't think this is the same thing...

I see what you are saying though, a business can expand beyond it's initial constraints, but I'm not sure that chasing prospects like what is described in the OP is really all that successful.

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