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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by hmottestad »

arromatic wrote: post #134
inhumantsar wrote: post #126

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this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

How many can you block and filter manually ? 10 ? 100 ? 10k ? Who will test sites for the blocklist ? The domain block feature is great but unless it's collaborative listing it's not gonna be super effective.

It’s super effective for me because I just block stuff as things pop up that I don’t want. I’ve also added more weight to certain domains that I want more results from. I wouldn’t want anyone touching my config, it’s mine and it works great!

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by tempusalaria »

spunker540 wrote: post #174
niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I think it’s pretty clear that LLMs can process a document/article/web page faster than any human in order to answer a given question. (And it can be parallelized across multiple pages at once too). The main hard part of searching isn’t formulating queries to write in the Google search bar, it’s clicking on links, and reading/skimming until you find the specific answer you want. Getting one sentence direct answers is…

Only if it is reliably correct.

Google does offer an AI summary for factual searches and I ignore it as it often hallucinates. Perplexity has the same problem. OpenAI would need to solve that for this to be truly useful

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by trump2025 »

101008 wrote: post #156

Search in the internet worked because people wanted to generate content to attract people to display ads or any other reason, but they wanted to attract people. If now my content is going to be ingested and shown by a LLM or AI agent, what's the purpose to give it for free? I know it won't happen, but I would love if this type of agents have to pay to show a summarization of another website. It's only fair when done…

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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by schmidtleonard »

M4v3R wrote: post #99
schmidtleonard wrote: post #65

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2 years for ads, 6 years to remove the yellow background.

I think you’re being very generous with these 2 years.

Yeah, I suppose OpenAI also speedran the "make noble promises to not become evil / become evil" pipeline too.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by paul7986 »

timeon wrote: post #182
paul7986 wrote: post #175

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I use GPT for things that would require multiple Google searches (research). Some examples.. - I count calories... eat out always and at somewhat healthy chains (Cava, Chipolte, etc). Tell GPT (via voice while driving to & or after eating) what ive eaten half the day at those places and then later for dinner. It calculates a calorie count estimation for half the day and then later at dinner the remaining. I have chec…

With eating out so much, try to ask it about sodium intake as well.

yeah that is somewhat of a concern and have asked GPT that info / to calculate that too (though only a few times).

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jakub_g »

niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I don't overuse LLMs for now; however when I have a complex problem that would require multiple of searches and dozens of tabs opened and reading through very long docs, asking LLM allows me to iterate order of magnitude faster.

Things that were previously "log a jira and think about it when I have a full uninterrupted day" now can be approached with half an hour spare. This is game changer because "have a full day uninterrupted" almost never happens.

It's like having a very senior coworker who knows a lot of stuff and booking a 30m meeting to brainstorm with them and quickly reject useless paths vs dig more into promising ones, vs. sitting all day researching on your own.

The ideas simply flow much faster with this approach.

I use it to get a high level familiarity with what's likely possible vs what's not, and then confirm with normal search.

I use LLMs also for non-work things like getting high level understanding of taxation, inheritance etc laws in a country I moved in, to get some starting point for further research.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by Lws803 »

Willamin wrote: post #162
niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I find myself being unable to search for more complex subjects when I don't know the keywords, specialized terminology, or even the title of a work, yet I have a broad understanding of what I'd like to find. Traditional search engines (I'll jump between Kagi, DuckDuckGo, and Google) haven't proved as useful at pointing me in the right direction when I find that I need to spend a few sentences describing what I'm look…

You might like what we're building in that sense :D (full disclosure, I'm the founder of Beloga). We're building a new way for search with programmable knowledge. You're essentially able to call on search from Google, Perplexity other search engines by specifying them as @ mentions together with your detailed query.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by fulafel »

cjf101 wrote: post #183

If the current iteration of search engines are producing garbage results (due to an influx of garbage + SEO gaming their ranking systems) and LLMs are producing inaccurate results without any clear method proposed to correct them, why would combining the two systems not also produce garbage? The problem I see with search is that the input is deeply hostile to what the consumers of search want. If the LLM's are partic…

Garbage-ness of search results is not binary, the right question is: can LLMs improve the quality of search results? But sure, it won't end the cat and mouse game.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by Lws803 »

tempusalaria wrote: post #192
spunker540 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s pretty clear that LLMs can process a document/article/web page faster than any human in order to answer a given question. (And it can be parallelized across multiple pages at once too). The main hard part of searching isn’t formulating queries to write in the Google search bar, it’s clicking on links, and reading/skimming until you find the specific answer you want. Getting one sentence direct answers is…

Only if it is reliably correct. Google does offer an AI summary for factual searches and I ignore it as it often hallucinates. Perplexity has the same problem. OpenAI would need to solve that for this to be truly useful

Agreed, hallucinations can be pretty bad and can hurt trust a great deal.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by erosivesoul »

Willamin wrote: post #162
niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I find myself being unable to search for more complex subjects when I don't know the keywords, specialized terminology, or even the title of a work, yet I have a broad understanding of what I'd like to find. Traditional search engines (I'll jump between Kagi, DuckDuckGo, and Google) haven't proved as useful at pointing me in the right direction when I find that I need to spend a few sentences describing what I'm look…

I also find some use for this. Or I often ask if there's a specific term for a thing that I only know generally, which usually yields better search results, especially for obscure science and technology things. The newer GPTs are also decent at math, but I still use Wolfram Alpha for most of that stuff just because I don't have to double check it for hallucinations.
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