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Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #103

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

Why would they ever want to sell ads? They did not get addicted to selling ads, have billions in revenue from paying subscribers, and don't have to wean themselves off of ads (as Google and Meta would love to do).

Because they are massively structurally unprofitable right now?

Re: ChatGPT Search

#182
post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I use GPT for things that would require multiple Google searches (research). Some examples.. - I count calories... eat out always and at somewhat healthy chains (Cava, Chipolte, etc). Tell GPT (via voice while driving to & or after eating) what ive eaten half the day at those places and then later for dinner. It calculates a calorie count estimation for half the day and then later at dinner the remaining. I have chec…

With eating out so much, try to ask it about sodium intake as well.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#183
If the current iteration of search engines are producing garbage results (due to an influx of garbage + SEO gaming their ranking systems) and LLMs are producing inaccurate results without any clear method proposed to correct them, why would combining the two systems not also produce garbage?

The problem I see with search is that the input is deeply hostile to what the consumers of search want. If the LLM's are particularly tuned to try and filter out that hostility, maybe I can see this going somewhere, but I suspect that just starts another arms race that the garbage producers are likely to win.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#184
Can someone give an example of the type of search query that this Search Engine would excel at?

( I tried getting the top hackernews posts but it was 5 days old? )

Re: ChatGPT Search

#185
Honestly I don't live this 'streaming LLM text effect' as well as the wordiness by which ChatGPT 'chats' with me. I consider LLMs to be machines, not conversation partners, and frankly I find the notion of chatting with an artificial being a bit creepy (unless it's specifically what I want as some sort of escapism). I wish they tried to be as terse as possible (and faster too).

Re: ChatGPT Search

#186
post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

> Genuine question...

When it starts with this you KNOW it's going to be maximum bad faith horsefuckery in the rest of the "question."

Re: ChatGPT Search

#187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how many of those SEO spam sites are themselves generated by ChatGPT now, OpenAI can simply back-reference their own logs to find out which sites are probably SEO spam while everyone else is left guessing. That's vertical integration!

If they do that , That's a genius idea.

So it'll turn to yet another arms race - similar to captcha, cybersecurity and nuclear weapons. SEO will use AI to fill in fluff inside AI-generated content (which is already done).

It won't directly match ChatGPT logs and OpenAI would just be pouring precious compute to a bottomless pit trying to partial-match.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#188
post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

For Java I got:

As of October 31, 2024, the latest version of Java is Java 23, released on September 17, 2024. The most recent Long-Term Support (LTS) version is Java 21, released on September 19, 2023.

Which all seems correct and accurate.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#190
I think generative search itself has room for disruption and I'm not too sure if a chat interface or a perplexity style one is necessarily the right way to go about it.

I'd like to see search (or research in broader sense) a more controllable activity with the ability to specify context + sources easily in the form of apps, agents and content.

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