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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by emj »

inglor_cz wrote: post #63
occz wrote: post #52

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I've lived several months in an area considered to be one of the worst in Sweden, zero problems whatsoever. The standard for bad in Sweden is just pretty damn high.

My friend looks basically like an Iranian (very dark wavy hair and dark eyes, but somewhat pale skin), even though he is a Czech, and lives in Stockholm. He saw blond people harassed multiple times. He says "I am quite lucky that the worst individuals consider me 'one of their own' and leave me alone. This means that I can take the metro without any precautions. But blonde girls that work with me started preferring s…

My first hand anecdotes; we let our kids ride subways on their own in Stockholm from about 9 years old. Everyone I know use public transport, I have never heard anyone complain about this!

Subways are safe. EDIT: I am sure there are problems I am not saying it is perfect

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by searealist »

arp242 wrote: post #91
fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

That charts paints a rather skewed picture by only focusing on firearms rather than murder overall. This is not a bad thing to highlight, but you should absolutely not confuse the two. Looking at [1], murder rate in Slovakia is comparable, and Hungary only slightly lower. Sweden isn't even near the top murder rate in the EU, and a number of other countries which accepted a large number of refugees have lower murder r…

Trends are what matters. Murder rates in Hungary and Slovakia have been trending down for quite some time, while Sweden's are rising.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by dk1138 »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #139
mupuff1234 wrote: post #69

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That's quite the corkscrew you've turned yourself into just to say you don't trust Muslims. If you really believe it then just say it.

I don’t trust any religion and I certainly don’t want anyone who thinks their religious laws outweigh the ones in existence.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by NicoJuicy »

woodruffw wrote: post #140
NicoJuicy wrote: post #110

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> Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates. You haven't gone to Brussels I suppose... Especially Molenbeek or Station Zuid. Ps. I'm from Belgium

> You haven't gone to Brussels I suppose... Especially Molenbeek or Station Zuid. I go to Brussels at least once a year. Again with the obliqueness: is there something specific you want to say? Is the implication that your national police force is suppressing the "real" murder rate?

Criminality isn't just murder rates

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2023/07/27/station-brussel-zuid...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by giraffe_lady »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #183
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #139

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That's quite the corkscrew you've turned yourself into just to say you don't trust Muslims. If you really believe it then just say it.

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Can you show me a christian one? A liberal democracy without horrors of genocide and colonialism in its past? If we're meant to respect europeans despite their atrocities you must return the favor.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by Dah00n »

arthur_sav wrote: post #131
woodruffw wrote: post #64

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And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

As someone who has lived in some of these countries in the past 10 years. Sweden is simply too nice to criminals. Police, laws... everything. Other countries have no tolerance for that.

"Other countries" mention were Denmark. They are not especially different from Sweden on punishing crime.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by John23832 »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #183
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's quite the corkscrew you've turned yourself into just to say you don't trust Muslims. If you really believe it then just say it.

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What does democracy have to do with it? Murders happen under all political structures?

But to answer your question? Indonesia?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by Dah00n »

threeseed wrote: post #173

@pretext, @dang. This sort of content goes against the guidelines, offers nothing of interest to the broader hacker community, invites the wrong sort of people to post and offers no additional insightful or new information to the discourse. I think those submitting need to ask if they are making this place better or worse.

Yes, we really do not need this on HN.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mupuff1234 »

zztop44 wrote: post #162
silenced_trope wrote: post #106

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Unfortunately everywhere in the Western world there seems to be denialism about this. And I'm actually legitimately afraid to actually voice that opinion in-person. I can vent here anonymously. But in the circles I'm in in San Francisco, I wouldn't dare suggest that certain migrants may not be compatible. There could personal, social, career impacts. You're automatically branded a xenophobe of some kind.

Well, isn’t it some kind of xenophobia? Saying that some “types” of outsiders are bad news full stop and should be kept outside else they’ll ruin the country is at least xenophobia adjacent, no matter how true you think it may be (probably unsurprisingly, I disagree on it being true, but that’s beside the point).

I don't think so, as it's not about where you come from but about what values you hold.
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