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These sort of posts invite this sort of people.
And if you look at many of those posting they are either very recently created accounts or rarely contribute.
Gang crisis shaking Sweden
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#182> Those on the right largely blame immigration, which has added 2mn people to the country in recent decades. Those on the left point to social factors, including the privatisation of Sweden’s welfare system which has led to worse services in deprived areas. Probably both things are true. When countries take in large amounts of immigration, their generous welfare systems can become stressed. Sweden didn't balance the…
I thought that I play with is that the internet is also partially to blame – hear me out.
In pre-internet times, immigrants faced the prospect of limited social contact unless they integrated with their communities. Alternatives to this was the formation of a cultural community such as a "little italy", "china town", or even a ghetto. However integration on some level would still be needed.
It's logical to believe that governments got a good idea of how many people they can import from each country while still maintaining a high level of integration.
Now enter the internet - it's now easy to stay connected with our cultural peers, function solely in our mother tongues and our problems from "back home" still feel close and worth hanging onto. It's also easier to avoid integrating into the community since many regular points of interaction, such as shopping, can be done online and in isolation.
This might mean that our previous numbers for how many people we bring in from each area will need to be reevaluated, possibly leaning into more mixing and conditions that ensure better integration such as requiring higher levels of language proficiency.
Sweden appears to be the victim of its own careless immigration, that'll be a difficult pandora's box to shut - but not impossible.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately everywhere in the Western world there seems to be denialism about this. And I'm actually legitimately afraid to actually voice that opinion in-person. I can vent here anonymously. But in the circles I'm in in San Francisco, I wouldn't dare suggest that certain migrants may not be compatible. There could personal, social, career impacts. You're automatically branded a xenophobe of some kind.
I feel in both my European countries I can voice with most anyone all the concerns I have. They share them for the most part but at least will be open to discuss if not. But with my American friends and colleagues I feel I could risk my reputation and have it affect my career. It’s sad to see really.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks. I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. T…
If people there are such jerks, why do you want to be in their country, or have day-to-day conversations with them? What gives you the right as a foreigner to force "persistent societal change" in a country on the other side of the world? Haven't Americans violently tried that already in a whole bunch of different places? > if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. Swedes are an ethnic group, you can't…
> why do you want to be in their country
I didn't. Blame my employer for sending me there to lead a CAB for our Northern Europe customers. I've always hated traveling to Northern Europe. At least in Italy or Greece I can pass as $Southern_European American so I don't get stink eye.
> you can't be Swedish unless you're born Swedish
So how does a non-ethnic Swede who has been living in Sweden their entire life and with Swedish citizenship become fully Swedish?
This is the crux of the issue. If you aren't given a chance to assimilate, there's no reason to.
At the end of the day, Trump can say racist stuff about Mexican Americans, yet Mexican Americans become Governers, leaders of industry, and everyday middle class people in the US. And this is just one example.
I don't see a similar kind of assimilation in most of Northern Europe, excluding the British Isles and Norway (kinda).
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Unfortunately everywhere in the Western world there seems to be denialism about this. And I'm actually legitimately afraid to actually voice that opinion in-person. I can vent here anonymously. But in the circles I'm in in San Francisco, I wouldn't dare suggest that certain migrants may not be compatible. There could personal, social, career impacts. You're automatically branded a xenophobe of some kind.
You're not "automatically" as if there's some process you can't intercede in. This is a xenophobic position, you can avoid being called xenophobic by not holding it.
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#188Clearly, the root cause of the problem is not immigrants or immigration, as some others have suggested. It is the people of Sweden who have ultimately done this to, and continue to do it to themselves. It ultimately comes down to their society's collective system of values, where they have also decided that systems of values that don't align are both simultaneously unacceptable and somehow also still permissible.
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#189> Those on the right largely blame immigration, which has added 2mn people to the country in recent decades. Those on the left point to social factors, including the privatisation of Sweden’s welfare system which has led to worse services in deprived areas. Probably both things are true. When countries take in large amounts of immigration, their generous welfare systems can become stressed. Sweden didn't balance the…
It's largely the result of an ideological deadlock, where legitimate logistical concerns about immigration and integration were lumped up with islamophobia and racism. Immigration was also seen as desirable in order to address the demographic crisis and low birth rates. This in turn had the ironic side-effect of cementing a sort of structural racism where all these immigrants showed up and were given at best estate h…
Thank you for actually adding something interesting.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks. I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. T…
Very true. I can see what you are referring to. Even as a very successful law-abiding "expat" I could not stand the tribalism and extreme unconscious racism in my workplace and the society in general. As you said they think all foreigners are children or stupid and they don't respect your knowledge. Life there made me depressed, so I ran away in less than a year and living life now in Ireland. Not blaming the Swedes…
I hate "expat", just a way of trying to make yourself sound better, it's obnoxious