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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Shootings occur in all kinds of areas in the major cities, but also in smaller towns. Sweden has also had a worrying number of bombs outside stairwells in residential areas and in detached houses. Therefore, the problems are not only concentrated in marginalized areas or what the Swedish Police call, particularly vulnerable areas. Per capita, Sweden has twice as many gang members as Mexico but you can hardly compare the gang structures in the two countries.

Although it happens that innocent people die or get injured, the acts are targeted at active gang members and, more recently, tragically, their families to a greater extent.

The problems are significant in the context of gang crime, but it's not like an ordinary person needs to be afraid of being out for a walk or being assaulted, robbed, or attacked by gangs. In Malmö, which is Sweden's third-largest city and is located near Copenhagen, gang problems have significantly decreased in recent years through Group Violence Intervention efforts.

I'm not trying to gloss over the problems, which are significant, but I understand that the authorities and communities have the will, knowledge, and resources to change the situation.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

>Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this? While I do think problems are way overblown, I don't know if you realize, these issues take generations to fix. If there is one legitimate scary bit about immigration is that it has VERY long-reachin…

Why would you want to deport someone’s grandkid?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks.

I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish.

No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. There needs to be a persistent societal change in Sweden to better manage diversity.

The Swedish left sucks by infantilizing minorities and the Swedish right sucks by actively demonizing them. No one actually tries to communicate actively with minority or immigrant communities - they just use "community organizations" to do it for them.

Honestly, despite all the issues the US has - managing diversity is definitely not one of those.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Multi-ethnic democracy is a harder mode than mono-ethnic democracy, which is why most comparisons of the US failures at various social policies to Scandinavian countries have always bugged me.

People don’t naturally feel as much allegiance to others who look and sound different. It takes time to overcome that.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Sounds like an awful place. From wikipedia. "Elegant Östermalm is known for its smart bars and restaurants on Stureplan square, and its cultural venues, such as the Swedish History Museum, displaying Viking weapons. Designer boutiques dot the area near Östermalms Saluhall, a food market known for traditional specialties like gravlax and smoked shrimp. Centered on the imposing National Library of Sweden, tranquil Huml…

You can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin: "Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the histori…

Östermalm is extremely posh, it's definitely not a problem area.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

That charts paints a rather skewed picture by only focusing on firearms rather than murder overall. This is not a bad thing to highlight, but you should absolutely not confuse the two. Looking at [1], murder rate in Slovakia is comparable, and Hungary only slightly lower. Sweden isn't even near the top murder rate in the EU, and a number of other countries which accepted a large number of refugees have lower murder r…

There’s a concerning proclivity amongst xenophobes to use tortured statistics as means to unduly smear immigration. Even more concerning to see it take hold in highly upvoted comments here.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks. I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. T…

> Honestly, despite all the issues the US has - managing diversity is definitely not one of those.

You're kidding, right...?

And we're all racist just because of some people you encountered?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Why is Germany near the bottom of the chart then?

Sweden appears to have a gun pipeline from the Balkans, while in Germany illegal firearms aren't as prevalent (as of yet). Statistics on knife killings would paint a different picture.

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> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much Looking at the statistics and historical trends paint another picture, of course this isn't El Salvador, but it doesn't mean it's going in the right direction

> That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much You're always right to question anecdote, but I call bullshit on the comparison to Ukraine. Crimea was taken. Borders are actively shifting. Nuclear attacks were a serious threat. I half-assedly considered actions I might take if the war spilled over here in some form. But looking at the article's scary graph: the badness has a…

>Crimea was taken. Borders are actively shifting.

Sure, but one can have a beer in a city towards the West and ride a train home just the same.

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