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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by arthur_sav »

woodruffw wrote: post #64
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

As someone who has lived in some of these countries in the past 10 years.

Sweden is simply too nice to criminals. Police, laws... everything.

Other countries have no tolerance for that.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by alephnerd »

KomoD wrote: post #118
alephnerd wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks. I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. T…

> Honestly, despite all the issues the US has - managing diversity is definitely not one of those. You're kidding, right...? And we're all racist just because of some people you encountered?

I'm just saying it as I've experienced it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's hard to describe but there's definetly a palpable sense of otherness that I haven't noticed anywhere in the US.

There is absolutely culture war issues everywhere (especially here in the US), but assimilating into being "American" is easy compared to what my relatives back in Europe faced and my own experiences there for work and vacation. And it's a big reason a number of them either emigrated to the US/Canada or back to Asia.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by flohofwoe »

RockCoach wrote: post #119
flohofwoe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Germany near the bottom of the chart then?

Sweden appears to have a gun pipeline from the Balkans, while in Germany illegal firearms aren't as prevalent (as of yet). Statistics on knife killings would paint a different picture.

To reuse the link from a sister comment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

...when you sort by "Rate", Germany is at spot 161, Hungary at 164, and Sweden at 144 (and for comparison's sake and because it's kinda interesting/surprising: Russia and the US are also identical at spot 52 and 53). So even when taking knife killings into account the argument doesn't make sense, Germany is much closer (actually pretty much identical) to "poster child" Hungary than Sweden.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by htamas »

arp242 wrote: post #91
fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

That charts paints a rather skewed picture by only focusing on firearms rather than murder overall. This is not a bad thing to highlight, but you should absolutely not confuse the two. Looking at [1], murder rate in Slovakia is comparable, and Hungary only slightly lower. Sweden isn't even near the top murder rate in the EU, and a number of other countries which accepted a large number of refugees have lower murder r…

That chart is using data from 2021, while the gang crisis in Sweden began escalating in 2022.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by wood_spirit »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #81
mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. My grandma smoked since she was a teenager and she is still alive and has no cancer. I guess all tobacco research is just fear-mongering. > Weren't they going to fix this? Were they? I’ve read a summary of the Moderate Party manifesto ( https://archive.is/v6IYb ) and, well, it looked pretty…

The right campaigned on their tough on gangs stance. They made it the main topic of debate in the run up to the election, and filled all the interviews with it. They talked about nothing else. They scared the public into voting for them to solve the problem.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by nickdothutton »

I’ve watched this story grow over the last decades or so. There is no gang problem, its just a conspiracy theory/propaganda. There is a gang problem but it’s overstated. There is a serious gang problem. There is a serious gang problem but it’s bikers. There is a serious gang problem, OK, it’s not bikers. There is a serious gang problem, it’s immigrants and immigrant descended Swedes, but it’s Sweden’s fault for not integrating them <-You are here.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by theshrike79 »

rlt wrote: post #86
patall wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They very often are not able to deport. Because no country takes those people in. The laws are in place but there are few ethical options. Same story for the border closing in Finland by the way. You are dealing with a deeply unethical state, so when you don't let them in, these people will have to die. Because the other side knows that you are more likely to give in out of ethical principle.

Why can’t they be deported to the country the came from?

Or the country of origin isn't deemed "safe" for return -> laws don't allow people to be returned to unsafe countries.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by jacquesm »

woodruffw wrote: post #64
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

Hm. We do have those same violent crime rates, but it is clearly linked to the drug trade.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by woodruffw »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #110
woodruffw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

> Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates. You haven't gone to Brussels I suppose... Especially Molenbeek or Station Zuid. Ps. I'm from Belgium

> You haven't gone to Brussels I suppose... Especially Molenbeek or Station Zuid.

I go to Brussels at least once a year.

Again with the obliqueness: is there something specific you want to say? Is the implication that your national police force is suppressing the "real" murder rate?

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