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ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by nvy »

root_axis wrote: post #109
generalizations wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it seem to compare with GPT 3.5? That really seems like the baseline for what's usable.

If you're a diligent tester, none of the open source models can touch GPT 3.5 yet, however, in practical terms, some of the 60b and 30b parameter models are almost indistinguishable from GPT 3.5 from the layperson's perspective. Now, if you consider the uncensored models, then you actually have some capabilities that GPT 3.5 and 4 are completely lacking. Based on the rate of progress in the open source world, it won'…

>Now, if you consider the uncensored models, then you actually have some capabilities that GPT 3.5 and 4 are completely lacking.

Can you elaborate on what those capabilities are?

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by Simulacra »

stubybubs wrote: post #114
crazygringo wrote: post #39

The culprit seems to be: > " Chollet thinks he knows what’s going on: summer vacation... a significant portion of students using ChatGPT to do their homework. It’s one of the most common uses for ChatGPT, according to Sam Gilbert, a data scientist and author. " https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chatgpt-suddenly-isn-t-boomin...

Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

I've always seen it as a toy, programed by humans, with human fallacies. It's a fun search engine for sure, but I think it's a decade (at least) until it becomes practical and useful.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by barrysteve »

ragequitta wrote: post #165
tempestn wrote: post #144

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The point is you need to collaborate with the LLM, not just expect it to provide fully-formed answers. I've saved countless hours of work over the past few months using GPT-4 to help me solve problems. One general framework can be to use it to help you google a solution instead of a problem. Googling a problem gives you all kinds of results, which you then need to dig through and understand in order to evaluate wheth…

It really is astonishing how much you can get done this way. I've been setting up a home lab for myself, and the answers Gpt4 gives are miles ahead of the stack overflow results or documentation of the apps or whatever else. Rarely (very rarely) it will give me a wrong answer, but then I paste in the error message or describe the problem I had and it almost always comes up with the correct answer 2nd try. Final step…

Oh come on. I fed Unreal c++ engine code to ChatGPT4 and it couldn't understand inheritence in Slate classes and therefore kept offering me the same broken solution for a parameter with the wrong type.

The Unreal engine code is documented and publicly avaiable for OpenAI to ingest and it still gets the basics wrong.

I wasted hours trying to get it to explain to me what I didn't know, if it doesn't understand the internals of Unreal, I have no hope for it on bigger and better codebases.

It doesn't parse, it doesn't explain, it does not grok. It guesses at best and the blood sucking robot-horse is not telling the truth.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

DryLabRebel wrote: post #158
konha wrote: post #108

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That sounds incredibly backwards to me. How about accepting new realities and changing homework assignments instead?

The world is changing, and children should change with it. Learn and understand technology, and the benefits of where modern machine learning is taking us. But you cannot unironically think we can substitute fundamental skills like essay writing and critical thinking for a degree in 'prompt engineering'?

> But you cannot unironically think we can substitute fundamental skills like essay writing and critical thinking for a degree in 'prompt engineering'?

Personally, I don't think that. However, I also think it's logical and good for a child to consider the task at hand and select the most efficient tool available.

I am not this girl's parent, and I'm not sure how I would have handled the situation if I was. However, I worry that simply taking away her phone may have been counterproductive. I would have erred toward some sort of open conversation about the purpose of the assignment and what she is hoping to learn.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by CydeWeys »

ragequitta wrote: post #165
tempestn wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is you need to collaborate with the LLM, not just expect it to provide fully-formed answers. I've saved countless hours of work over the past few months using GPT-4 to help me solve problems. One general framework can be to use it to help you google a solution instead of a problem. Googling a problem gives you all kinds of results, which you then need to dig through and understand in order to evaluate wheth…

It really is astonishing how much you can get done this way. I've been setting up a home lab for myself, and the answers Gpt4 gives are miles ahead of the stack overflow results or documentation of the apps or whatever else. Rarely (very rarely) it will give me a wrong answer, but then I paste in the error message or describe the problem I had and it almost always comes up with the correct answer 2nd try. Final step…

Do you have some sample chat logs of interactions like this you can share? I'm curious to see what kind of stuff it's coming up with, and how you're prompting it.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by _jal »

CydeWeys wrote: post #126
stubybubs wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

I'm getting people filing tickets for... let's call them complex, medium-large projects that they want implemented. Helpfully, they're including ChatGPT "instructions" for how to do it. I got my first "but ChatGPT said..." argument about why I'm wrong about something just yesterday.

Somewhat more general, but I've pretty much already decided that if I find people using it to talk to me without telling me, I won't be talking to them. Goes for businesses as well as personal things - don't gaslight me, or you will lose the option to do so.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by cosmicRobot »

orwin wrote: post #178
ragequitta wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is astonishing how much you can get done this way. I've been setting up a home lab for myself, and the answers Gpt4 gives are miles ahead of the stack overflow results or documentation of the apps or whatever else. Rarely (very rarely) it will give me a wrong answer, but then I paste in the error message or describe the problem I had and it almost always comes up with the correct answer 2nd try. Final step…

I disagree with that. It's very useful writing boilerplate and documentation, but two third the time I'm in front of a bug I'm to lazy to understand and ask ChatGPT, with context and all, the answer is wrong. I can fiddle with it to reduce that to a third of the time, but in the end, only the questions that are really, really hard to figure on your own are left. Still, it's way better and more efficient than Google.…

I agree with this. This is my primary use as a new analyst. Weird things that would take lots of time to dig through stack overflow to find, I can find pretty quickly if I feed it the parameters I’m working within, and what I’m trying to get to. Usually it just fills in the gap that Google was doing before, but much better in my opinion.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

treeman79 wrote: post #97
crazygringo wrote: post #39

The culprit seems to be: > " Chollet thinks he knows what’s going on: summer vacation... a significant portion of students using ChatGPT to do their homework. It’s one of the most common uses for ChatGPT, according to Sam Gilbert, a data scientist and author. " https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chatgpt-suddenly-isn-t-boomin...

Mentioned ChatGPT to my teenager a few months ago. Huge percentage of the teenagers at her school are using it to do their assignments. Later I her to read a few chapters of her book for summer reading. When I quizzed her it, she got it right. Found out later she used ChatGPT to give her a summary of the first chapters. She did not enjoy having first weeks of summer without a phone. School is having to change all ass…

> Found out later she used ChatGPT to give her a summary of the first chapters. She did not enjoy having first weeks of summer without a phone.

Honestly, the pupils of my generation had other sources for finding summaries of the books to read for school (e.g. on the web, or in form of other books that contain a summary of the book to read (the respective pages were copied and these copies were passed among classmates).

Thus: just the methods change over generations, how pupils behave is much more constant.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by novaRom »

JohnFen wrote: post #164

Could it simply be that almost everyone who is interested has tried it out, and those that didn't find it useful have dropped off? That doesn't sound like something horrible. That sounds like a normal adoption pattern.

I know some friends of mine stopped using it because it requires login, and it's quicker to Google or go to Wiki for a quick answer. Most people have a laptop at work, home devices, phone, etc. So it's just you ve tried it say on your laptop few times than you are on a tablet etc so why do you need all that mess with entering email, remembering password, for what, for just a quick asking and getting answer.
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