Yet another company mindlessly follows industry trends. Yawn.
Making overblown slow software? They are one of the inventors of it.
salesforce should raise their hand here
Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
#192I see all the people here talking about JIRA or/and Bitbucket server. However Confulence is not mentioned that much.
I think the hardest product to replace is Confluence, especially on-prem, when you need your data inside your firewall.
There are many bad things in Confluence: 1. search is completely broken since several versions 2. the editor is not very good 3. it's just too slow
Hoever, there is 1 very good feature, but badly implemented. The ability to add complex objects, like JIRA ticket lists, Children pages, HTML embeds and other dynamic stuff. This helps a lot with building good dynamic pages fast. All the other tools are only
I've been searching high and low for a replacement and still haven't found one.
Also Atlassian got so greedy that they've removed on-prem cheap plans. I really hope someone builds a better Confluence with dynamic objects inside.
And if someone already did that on-premise I'll be really grateful for a hint.
Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
#193Some of their problems are tied to their severe tech debt, weak leadership, poor vision of the future, lack of understading of the present, all the while relying on 3rd parties to profit instead of them actually making a better product and providing (with 8k headcount) changes with any sort of velocity. oh and they killed off their main competitor in Trello; but sweet now my user is deleted an i have to use atlassian user now. :: sighs :: all this and we still have to pay premium to use it?
hope they give these employees a good exit, it's the leaderships own fault.
Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why I mentioned "incoherent and probably useless other tools". Apparently, they launched some sort of no-code tool for stringing APIs together but still not ready with their GraphQL client. For reference, another company that sells developer tools, JetBrains, has around 2000 employees.
I can't tell where you're driving with the JetBrains comparison. Truthfully, I'm a little surprised they only have 2000 employees. They have a suite of IDEs supporting a multitude of languages, that are almost universally considered best in class. IDEs are not an easy thing to build. They developed and maintain the Kotlin language which has all but become the standard for Android dev. And they have integrated team co…
Isn't it obvious? Postman Labs is bloated and overvalued, compared to what JetBrains does their product is just nothing.
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It will be a blood bath. Postman "Labs", a company that produces a glorified cURL UI and some incoherent most likely useless tools around it received $433M investment at valuation of $2B and apparently has hundreds of employees. Current state of tech is not sustainable.
Their focus group seem to be rather big enterprises, not indie devs/small teams like with insomnia so it's not surprising.
Selling developer tools to corporate managers is an interesting idea let's see how it works out. Reminds me of Rational/IBM.
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I actually find postman quite useful for the work I do (heavily api-related) - if you work in that space, what other tools would you recommend instead?
I use Postman all the time for work and it is definitely useful. But it seems to be getting worse not better as they tack on more features and make it more complicated. It seems like it's been years since they added anything I need and instead it has just gotten harder to use due to extra fluff. And it's buggier than it's ever been.
Apparently, they decided that selling merch is more important than implementing gRPC support.
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postman, another shit product.
I actually find postman quite useful for the work I do (heavily api-related) - if you work in that space, what other tools would you recommend instead?
I do work in that space. I build APIs and I use them. I built a springdoc for php so I know a bit about what I am talking about: https://github.com/cnizzardini/cakephp-swagger-bake
The Postman UX is not good on it. It's easy to get lost in tabs, they should ditch the tabs and categorize requests under the actual endpoint. There is also no way to easily save like requests and give them better names that is also searchable. It's also built on electron which means its slow and clunky.
There is nothing good in this space. Swagger would do it if they let you save requests to local browser storage and just added a history dropdown to the endpoints. I use swagger and save common requests to a file system and open them in sublime. if its just JSON payloads I am working with it does the job.
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Linear
Linear is unfortunately too opinionated. At my last gig my manager wanted everybody to be using the same task tracker (understandably) and I wanted our team to move to a Kanban process because we evolved into the Infra/DevOps/IT team and ended up doing very little product work. At the time there was no way to operate in this paradigm as Linear forced you to use "Cycles" (a proprietary term for a time box) and it mean…
Linear definitely does not force you to use Cycles. Cycles aren't even enabled by default. You have to specifically go into your team and enable it. It isn't a global setting either. It's a per team. So one team can do it while another doesn't have to.
My guess is you wanted a Kanban board but didn't realize you can change the standard ticket view to a board view? If you're in the Active issue view for your team you can click the boxes icon at the top right (or hit cmd-b) to get a kanban view.
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What? Name one product better than JIRA.
Linear
Strongly agree with this one. If you can move do it now. It only becomes dramatically harder to move away from Jira as time goes on.
Linear is essentially a mildly opinionated and hyper fast version of Jira. It will be immediately familiar to anyone coming from Jira, which is a really great thing for adoption.
Don't underestimate the speed feature. The effect here has been that people stop using Jira and only use it at a bare minimum as required by management. People end up moving all of their planning and notes to things like Google Sheets, random docs, or just Apple Notes. Linear is so fast and easy to use I found I was back to doing planning and notes live in the tool because it was easier.
Highly recommend you give it a try. My company is unfortunately already heavily entrenched in Jira and I found a vast amount of work to move us all so I had to abandon our move.