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Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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So he’s just like Bill Gates in the 90’s. A little douche with an ego and deceptive business practices. Not sure why no one mentions his asperger's syndrome because that’s an obvious mastodon in the room.

> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

I agree and not trying to typecast—but maybe their personality + Asperger’s = dubious people-oriented decisions? I’m not a doctor nor do I know anyone with Asperger’s but it is a variable at play.

But quickly looking it up it’s a social-oriented disorder. Elon is making dubious social-oriented decisions.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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If you're concerned about that, back up regularly, or pick an instance not run by a hobbyist, or run your own, or pay one of the commercial hosters to do it for you.

I love the moving of goalposts that's happening here. "Just pick a server", "you can always migrate" moves to "you can always migrate if you happened to have picked a server not run by a hobbyist". Which, BTW, isn't even a filter criterion on the often linked instances.social. Also, you can't back up your followers.

> I love the moving of goalposts that's happening here. "Just pick a server", "you can always migrate" moves to "you can always migrate if you happened to have picked a server not run by a hobbyist".

There's no moving on goalposts here. I have not replied to you suggesting anything less than this previously, so there were no goalposts for me to move.

> Which, BTW, isn't even a filter criterion on the often linked instances.social.

So don't rely on instances.social if that is a consideration for you. If this matters to you, do your research. Joinmastodon.org does have a filter for "legal structure", but if you care about that you really should read the about page of your prospective server. Or run or pay for your own.

I simply provided you with a list of options if this is a consideration for you. It's your choice whether or not any of those options works for you.

> Also, you can't back up your followers.

Yes you can, though not from the default Mastodon UI. In fact anyone can download your followers list as JSON. What you can't do without support from the original server is to cause your followers to refollow you on the new account, and that is indeed a legitimate flaw that I'd like to see fixed (and it's doable - there are key-pairs associated with the accounts which would allow for signing an assertion about the account moving, and while the server need to have a copy of the main private key there's no reason for users not to be able to get a copy of it). It probably will be - the entire account move functionality is quite new and needs iteration.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Isn’t the simple answer, just stop using Twitter if you feel so strongly about this n

That's exactly what people are trying to do by switching to Mastodon! And Twitter seems to be trying to prevent people from switching to Mastodon.

A service is trying to make it difficult for you to switch to a competitor. Surprise surprise.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Musk could have kept twitter that universal platform and keeping an eye on political interference from within, knowing that right wing people would just trust him doing the right thing. But no, he wanted to make a big public outcry out of it, and he's now reaping the consequences.

It is the if e universal platform. He’s just getting rid of the toxic people that thought they were immune to the types of canceling they’ve asked for more of previously. Live by the cancel, die by the cancel, I guess.

I'm not leaving Twitter because they canceled somebody or because they don't have canceled somebody else.

I'm leaving Twitter because it no longer provides me an interesting timeline with content that I care about.

Enough people in my network left (for whatever reason) and that's enough to create a network effect.

I tried blocking musk and other accounts that created what I perceived as just noise I don't care about (I'm not a us resident, I've had enough of your culture war. It was educational and all but I'm also interested in other things!). But that wasn't enough, the Twitter recommendation engine keeps notifying threads about people I don't follow that talk about things I don't care about. Often just because Musk replied (and since I blocked him I don't really notice that until I click to see to details of a hidden post).

It's a shame. I'm not a social media person. I found Twitter to have been a nice low friction way to subscribe to interesting topics and people.

This whole drama has just turned it into a permanent worst version of itself

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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How exactly is he radicalized? Because he suspended 7 journalists for 12-24 hours for doxxing the flight with his kid on it?

ElonJet pointed out where the flight was. The journalists simply pointed out that ElonJet was using public data from the FAA. So no, its not considered doxxing. All airplanes must be tracked, otherwise there's a chance that they'll crash into each other. If you don't like that, then maybe don't fly in a private jet all the time. Share your jet with others. Or God forbid, use a cheaper, more efficient, better-for-the-…

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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That's exactly what people are trying to do by switching to Mastodon! And Twitter seems to be trying to prevent people from switching to Mastodon.

A service is trying to make it difficult for you to switch to a competitor. Surprise surprise.

> Isn’t the simple answer, just

> difficult for you to switch to a competitor

Do you not see the self-contradiction in your own comments?

In other words, the so-called "simple answer" is not so simple if you can't even post your Mastodon link on your Twitter profile.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I love the moving of goalposts that's happening here. "Just pick a server", "you can always migrate" moves to "you can always migrate if you happened to have picked a server not run by a hobbyist". Which, BTW, isn't even a filter criterion on the often linked instances.social. Also, you can't back up your followers.

You can't back up your followers, but as long as the old instance exits, is not banned and is cooperative you can move your followers from one instance to another. Yes, that's a lot of "ifs" and doesn't help at all if the instance you are on is already defederated, which was the point that started this thread. I think Mastodon is a tiny bit better than Twitter in that, at least you have a chance to move as long as th…

I have moved instances, so it made a practical difference to me. I also follow a lot of people who have moved instances and in all cases I only noticed because they posted about it (and hence there are probably more who have moved that I didn't notice).

It needs improvements, such as the ability to move in spite of the old server (the ability to get at your private key so you or the new server can sign an assertion about the move with the old accounts key would be one option which would at least give people the choice of being prepared), and moving over the old posts (there are some stupid concerns about "faking timelines" which you can trivially do anyway, so I think this is a question of time to resolve that - it's not technically hard), but it already does offer significantly more freedom than Twitter.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I tried to post the link to this particular post (article?) on Twitter and it claimed there was an error:

> Something went wrong, but don’t fret — let’s give it another shot.

Twitter is not letting me share this information!

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

#200

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I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating i…

Yes. However, I would argue that is a good thing. Musk has become a poster child one can easily point to and ask a question along the lines of 'is it reasonable for society to allow a person with resources near some nation-state levels to exist and not limit their ability to gather that amount of resources?' While in general I am very permissive and I hate imposition on my individual freedoms, I am increasingly convi…

> Musk has become a poster child one can easily point to and ask a question along the lines of 'is it reasonable for society to allow a person with resources near some nation-state levels to exist and not limit their ability to gather that amount of resources?'

It’s an interesting question but if you’re hoping for a ‘no’ answer, Musk is a pretty mild test case. For all his failings, he hasn’t used his personal wealth for anything that bad. Far worse is done by corporations and governments (and actual princes).

In fact, I’m not sure individualistic supervillainy actually happens all that much. Being bad at scale is still a team effort.

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