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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by dragontamer »

heather45879 wrote: post #169
rgbrenner wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we watching musk "get" radicalized? Or has he always been that way? Because I remember way back, when journalists would write poor reviews of Tesla, he would go after them... typically accusing them of being compromised in some way, or not really being a journalist. Then there's the swatting of a tesla wistleblower. Or when a customer was "rude", he canceled their tesla pre-order. Or when that tesla employee post…

So he’s just like Bill Gates in the 90’s. A little douche with an ego and deceptive business practices. Not sure why no one mentions his asperger's syndrome because that’s an obvious mastodon in the room.

> asperger's syndrome

Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes.

There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness.

So even _IF_ Elon hada Asperger's (and I'm not convinced he does. I think its all pretend for more clicks / his public relations image), there's nothing about Asperger's that makes you a self-contradicting asshole.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by rdpintqogeogsaa »

sandworm101 wrote: post #161
cmatthias wrote: post #158

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Mastodon will not die in the same way Napster did; it’s decentralized and there’s no way it can be completely shut down since anyone can run an instance.

There are ways. Placing regulatory burdens or legal liabilities on anyone running a social media instance would quickly make Mastadon untenable. Something as simple as manditory age verification might be enough.

GDPR exists right now, actually, and most instances are far from in compliance.

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Post by weinzierl »

yardie wrote: post #159
codeflo wrote: post #118

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You can't migrate your followers that way, can you? Which is (arguably) for many people more important than the content of their posts.

You don’t own your followers. When you move they get a notification you moved and their following lists are adjusted accordingly.

Not when the instance you are on is banned or otherwise disappears and you use your exported data to "revive" your account on a different instance (with a different handle), which is the scenario I proposed above.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by hgdfhgdhgfdh »

SilverBirch wrote: post #116
paulgb wrote: post #10

The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating i…

How exactly is he radicalized? Because he suspended 7 journalists for 12-24 hours for doxxing the flight with his kid on it?

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Post by skissane »

weinzierl wrote: post #135
codeflo wrote: post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

I think I'm in the same demographic as you, but I don't see it as negatively. Most of the issues you mentioned don't bother me as much or could be fixed. The only thing that concerns me is the risk of defederation. Why would anyone want to run an instance if they (and their users) are at the risk of being excluded on the whim of a small and intransparent group of people? I mean so far moderation on Mastodon seems to…

> I mean so far moderation on Mastodon seems to work, but it still does not sit right with me that we basically replaced a dictatorship with the (benevolt) oligoply of the group of most popular server's owners.

Elon Musk has made some dumb moderation calls, but he seems open to changing some of them in response to popular feedback and media pressure. I don’t know if the same is true of those people. If new Twitter bans whoever, odds are high everybody will hear about it, and if they shouldn’t be banned, odds are decent it will be reversed. I’m not sure the same is true for this “oligopoly” for whom few know who they are. Seems even worse than Twitter as far as transparency and accountability goes

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by lapcat »

tiffanyh wrote: post #176
dEnigma wrote: post #166

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I think people mostly take issue with the hypocrisy of claiming to be a paragon of free speech while censoring all kinds of things because Musk personally dislikes them.

Isn’t the simple answer, just stop using Twitter if you feel so strongly about this n

That's exactly what people are trying to do by switching to Mastodon! And Twitter seems to be trying to prevent people from switching to Mastodon.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by sebastialonso »

tiffanyh wrote: post #176
dEnigma wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people mostly take issue with the hypocrisy of claiming to be a paragon of free speech while censoring all kinds of things because Musk personally dislikes them.

Isn’t the simple answer, just stop using Twitter if you feel so strongly about this n

It is, and shockingly for some, it's also exercising free speech to point out the hypocrisy. You can do both!

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

kybernetyk wrote: post #89
codeflo wrote: post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

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> > There's something in the German soul that makes them great at building cars.

But lacking in design. See how German supercars look plain vis-a-vis the Italian ones

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by dragontamer »

hgdfhgdhgfdh wrote: post #184
SilverBirch wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating i…

How exactly is he radicalized? Because he suspended 7 journalists for 12-24 hours for doxxing the flight with his kid on it?

ElonJet pointed out where the flight was.

The journalists simply pointed out that ElonJet was using public data from the FAA. So no, its not considered doxxing. All airplanes must be tracked, otherwise there's a chance that they'll crash into each other.

If you don't like that, then maybe don't fly in a private jet all the time. Share your jet with others. Or God forbid, use a cheaper, more efficient, better-for-the-environment electric vehicle.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by hef19898 »

jhgfjhfgjg wrote: post #163
paulgb wrote: post #10

The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

What about the pivot from "This is a private company. Free speech doesn't apply" to "This is censorship of free speech"?

I fall in the first camp. Elon's claimed stabd on free speech and his actions are just so opposite to each other, that calling out his hypocrasy makes absolute sense.
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