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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Theoretically it is; practically corporations are implicitly immoral - they’re not human, they have no feelings, it’s only left to whatever (HR in this case) procedures are in place to ensure a positive outcome. Such procedures tend to fail when you move fast and break things.

No matter which way you try and slice it, there's always a human at the end of the decision. A human made the policies, a human made the layoff decision, a human decides to enforce policy.

More generally, sticking with the status quo is a moral decision. Just because you feel less guilty because you just followed orders instead of "making a choice", that doesn't make you morally neutral. We like to talk big words about how "evil only exists because good people do nothing" or whatever but when facing the banality of minor evils every day we not only do nothing but shrug our shoulders when others do the same.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> I do agree, but I guess I'm not sure what the solution is here? The solution is obvious: Stop clinging to this backward butts-in-seats culture that has people move to a new location even if the job they're going to do can easily be done from anywhere in the world.

I mean, that’s simply not true. At a most basic level, if you’re going to collaborate effectively as part of a team for a long period of time then you need to realistically be ± 3 time zones at most.

That's only true if you're working entirely or mostly synchronously, which might be an indicator of inherent anti-patterns in your work culture and processes, e.g., lots of meetings instead of written documentation.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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post #58

Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

its too big. Meta wont want to leak that people are going to get laid off so they let the business carry on globally as per usual right up until the layoff button gets pressed.

its safer for the company to manage it that way.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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post #140

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Do we have a reason to believe he was treated poorly?

The headline seems a pretty clear example of the employee being treated poorly imo.

So 'not being laid off' is a necessary condition of not being treated poorly?

The severance amount or any other services provided are irrelevant, because he was implicitly treated poorly by having contract terminated?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

HN is absolutely full of uncaring libertarian techbros, the comments are exactly what I've come to expect.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Why call out Elon when this situation was Zuckerberg?

Elon only cuts 3K. He also well known to cut people for a decade. His tussle with previous board dragged for more than 6mths. People should be aware and should have been preparing 2nd route. Mark Zuck on the hand misled people from the very beginning which just 2 mths ago had zero intention to retrench. And he did it so sudden with 11K (and this is only phase 1, there are at least 2 more phases before end of 2023). Personally I would "hate" Zuck several magnitude before hating Elon....and I really dislike Elon public antics.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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The solution is right there in OPs post: “give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews.” Thats it. HR knows who is working on visa. Inform them of the situation, give them 3 months, take away all their accesses and let them spend the 3 months to look for a new job. Meta makes a bazillion USD pr year. Even…

Isn't this literally what's happening? (Except it's 4 months, not 3?)

he's probably been given the pay but not the time to find his feet

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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post #98

I mean, setting aside the emotional aspect of the issue for a moment and just being analytical, can't we also acknowledge that there is a type of observation bias here? When you're talking about thousands of people getting hired a year, and a sudden event having to be done that affects 11,000 employees, you're bound to get a couple of very unusual and unfortunate cases. If we looked at different windows of time, we w…

> When you deal with human processes, and have to draw a line somewhere, certain cases will pop up as falling into very odd or unfortunate cracks.

So, how does it work - a snap like Thanos? or is there a process behind every name who is getting fired? this is ridiculous, it can't just be a chance that they fired him. They take multiple interviews to hire each individual, atleast half as much effort will go in firing an individual right?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency Reading them, so am I. There is no sign of empathy: that understanding of another individual, the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, that is fundamental to a healthy society and (IMO) personal integrity. I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.…

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