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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by asddubs »

vlunkr wrote: post #104
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf. I really doubt it. - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch - It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear…

it's also way bigger and less portable

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Nursie »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #187
Nursie wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only exception I can think of is the PS2; PCSX2 can play PS2 games directly from a standard optical drive I'm not sure of anything else directly as easy, but both the PSP and Wii could be made to rip their own disks, with the appropriate firmware installed, and some PC DVD drives were apparently Wii-disc compatible, but not all. As you say though, it's extra work even then. I think I would probably buy the game…

DVD drives that can read Wii discs are super rare, but here's an interesting one—BluRay drives that can PS3 discs are quite common! Unfortunately, ripping them still isn't an easy process. Last time I did this I needed three different programs: A generic ISO creator followed by "PS3 ISO Patcher" and then finally "3k3y ISO Tools". This is an area where I'm actually a bit disappointed in emulator developers—RPCS3 ought…

> What we want is for the level of friction required to acquire and play a legitimate copy of a game in an emulator to be at least semi comparable to the effort required to find and download a pirated rip.

Yeah, unfortunately that seems pretty darn unlikely, especially where Nintendo wants to control the experience and make sure people are getting it exactly the way they design it. I can see why they wouldn't - the moment they start selling it like that it's a support nightmare and their perceived quality would probably plummet.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by fastball »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #175
jpambrun wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a well established philosophical concept referred as Kant universality laws. It is a good rule to live by. Makes it obvious that cutting in line is immoral because lines could not exist if everybody did it.

Then at the same time, is it immoral for me to have no kids because it means the extinction of the human race? Is it immoral for me to have 3 kids because it means exponential growth, overpopulation, famine and destruction of the Earth? If we follow the logic to its end, the only moral choice is for everyone to have not 1, not 3 but exactly 2 kids. I feel like this "law" really fails to account that not everybody on…

Not sure it would necessarily be "wrong" for the human race to cease to exist if everyone in the human race didn't want to procreate.

But also remember that this is about human choices, not forced realities. The thought experiment is about what happens if everyone chooses to act in a certain way, not if everyone is a literal copy/paste automaton. To illustrate, even if everyone decided they didn't want kids, assuredly thousands/millions would still have "whoopsie" babies.

With regards to choosing to have three kids: overpopulation, famine, and destruction of Earth are not a given. Firstly (and again) because nowhere close to everyone on Earth is actually able to have three kids for a variety of reasons, and secondly because even if you did have exponential population growth you can avoid those things, mostly by colonizing space / building vertically / Dyson Sphere / etc. Unlikely but not a given so therefore hard to argue its necessarily bad.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by HideousKojima »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #136
sjmulder wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the Switch and I'm a big fan of many Nintendo franchises but Nintendo has a habit of screwing over honest customers, especially early adopters, and their retro efforts are a good example of that: People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious…

> People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious input lag. Instead of fixing it for those customers who already paid (sometimes twice) for those games, Nintendo released the NES Classic which had a much better emulator… but only if you paid again.…

>I'm definitely not going to defend how bad the Wii U emulators were, but asking users to pay for a new emulator doesn't seem so unreasonable to me. Developing an emulator takes work.

They are hard work, but fans working for free have consistently done a better job than Nintendo themselves at writing emulators in all respects: added features, performance, input latency, accuracy, and compatibility.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by drdeca »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #175
jpambrun wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a well established philosophical concept referred as Kant universality laws. It is a good rule to live by. Makes it obvious that cutting in line is immoral because lines could not exist if everybody did it.

Then at the same time, is it immoral for me to have no kids because it means the extinction of the human race? Is it immoral for me to have 3 kids because it means exponential growth, overpopulation, famine and destruction of the Earth? If we follow the logic to its end, the only moral choice is for everyone to have not 1, not 3 but exactly 2 kids. I feel like this "law" really fails to account that not everybody on…

I think the idea is "If everyone determined their actions as a function of the combination of their circumstances with their idiosyncratic wants, using the same function", where said function is assumed to be natural and not like, weirdly skewed around one particular person's wants.

So, like, if John really dislikes Joe, the rule saying "if you really dislike someone, punch Joe in the face" wouldn't be a rule of the appropriate sense. It doesn't make sense that if Steve really disliked Erwin, that he would punch Joe in the face as a result.

The rule that John should be considering whether he would approve of, is closer to[1] the rule "If you really dislike someone, punch them in the face." . Presumably John would find this rule less appealing than "If you really dislike someone, punch Joe in the face.", because someone might dislike John and therefore punch John in the face, and John would rather not be punched in the face.

So, in the case you gave an example of, about "whether to have children", the question would be along the lines of, "If everyone decided whether to have children (as well as how many) using the same criteria that you are using (where these criteria could include their personal tastes, aspirations, etc. as a factor), would you approve of the outcome?" This seems quite compatible with the ways that people differ.

Like, it isn't about assuming everyone behaves in the same way, but about assuming everyone responds to their desires and motivations in "the same way", for the right sense of "the same way".

[1] I won't say that this is exactly the right rule to consider. idk. Probably not quite.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by HideousKojima »

mattnewton wrote: post #77
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

The steam deck exists and seems like pretty much this! I have been very impressed with what I have seen about it. But I am probably still going to buy breath of the wild 2, so I still need a switch...

Given how well the original BotW emulates, probably not

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by lrae »

danShumway wrote: post #185

There's a really surprising amount of confusion in these comments about how copyright (at least in the US) works. More confusion than I expected to see on a site like Hackernews. Emulators are legal, including emulators for current-gen systems. Switch emulation is exactly as legal as Gameboy emulation. You can argue current-gen emulators are irresponsible, you can say they're mostly used for piracy, but Nintendo does…

> More confusion than I expected to see on a site like Hackernews.

Kinda funny, because... you're here claiming that Nintendo is (likely) doing something illegal here and are adding to the confusion.

The thing is, the removals that are in the press right now, especially the Steam Deck one, had gameplay in them... and as far as I know and understand US law and its current interpretation, Nintendo is likely well within its rights to DMCA gameplay.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Nursie wrote: post #192
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DVD drives that can read Wii discs are super rare, but here's an interesting one—BluRay drives that can PS3 discs are quite common! Unfortunately, ripping them still isn't an easy process. Last time I did this I needed three different programs: A generic ISO creator followed by "PS3 ISO Patcher" and then finally "3k3y ISO Tools". This is an area where I'm actually a bit disappointed in emulator developers—RPCS3 ought…

> What we want is for the level of friction required to acquire and play a legitimate copy of a game in an emulator to be at least semi comparable to the effort required to find and download a pirated rip. Yeah, unfortunately that seems pretty darn unlikely, especially where Nintendo wants to control the experience and make sure people are getting it exactly the way they design it. I can see why they wouldn't - the m…

Okay, here's another example a la PS3 discs—it so happens that people have figured out how to download Wii U games directly from Nintendo's eShop servers. As in, any game on the eShop. You just need to track down a somewhat-sketchy Java app.

What if this capability was built into the official version of Cemu, but (!) with some sort of basic ownership check included? I'd imagine that if it's possible to pull games directly off of Nintendo's servers, there's a good chance it's also possible to query which games an account owns.

As far as I know, nobody ever looked into this. There's no interest.

If emulator developers want people to use their emulators legally, I think there are some more creative avenues that could be explored. Not in all cases, but at least in some of them.

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