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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I was the same as a kid - I really struggled with the early mornings, and could never sleep before midnight. Come the weekend, and I was so tired I'd sleep until midday. When I first started at high school, I was a great student, for example winning multiple prizes over the first 18 months. But the tiredness really took a toll, and for most of the rest of school I was a half zombie - I still did well at school, but I…

my solution worked ok: sleep at school. it's not ideal, but it also saved me from being entirely brainwashed and prevented teachers from killing my creativity. let's not ignore the fact schools were designed long ago to 1/ shape future factory workers into well behaved blue collars, while 2/ making it possible for parents to go to work. before the industrial revolution, most people were farmers. Kids were out playing…

> before the industrial revolution, most people were farmers. Kids were out playing, stayed home safe or participated to gardening activities.

Ah yes, the good old times where nobody could read or write and your only perspective in life was to be a farmer like your father and his father before him!

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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If you were so tired, why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night? If I'm remembering my own teen years correctly, most of us chose to stay up late not because we couldn't sleep, but because we just wanted to, sleep be damned. Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm.

> why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night? Can you? Consensus has emerged in the last few years that the circadian rhythm is mostly regulated hormonally, with a strong genetic factor. So that would be akin to telling a black person to "just get whiter skin". > Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm. Do you have a reliabl…

There's enough artificial light that circadian rhythm barely applies to teens. Yes, I can change my sleep schedule, and have done so multiple times. If you're tired enough to be "sleep deprived" then you're going to be perfectly capable of going to sleep at 10 instead of 1am, barring some insomniac disorder. It's dark outside at both times. Circadian rhythm doesn't overrule real sleep deprivation. If you're tired, you can sleep at night.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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There was a movement in my town to push back school start times. However, there are some non-immediately-obvious consequences. Due to limited school buses, school start times need to be staggered, so the options were either to push all school start times back or swap school start times so adolescents start later and younger students start earlier. Pushing all start times back would have resulted with some schools end…

Well I think at least it should be flopped from older and younger.

But I see no problem with schools ending around 6 or 7. Welcome to regular business.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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> why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night? Can you? Consensus has emerged in the last few years that the circadian rhythm is mostly regulated hormonally, with a strong genetic factor. So that would be akin to telling a black person to "just get whiter skin". > Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm. Do you have a reliabl…

There's enough artificial light that circadian rhythm barely applies to teens. Yes, I can change my sleep schedule, and have done so multiple times. If you're tired enough to be "sleep deprived" then you're going to be perfectly capable of going to sleep at 10 instead of 1am, barring some insomniac disorder. It's dark outside at both times. Circadian rhythm doesn't overrule real sleep deprivation. If you're tired, yo…

> There's enough artificial light that circadian rhythm barely applies to teens.

Citation needed. Circadian rhythm is influenced by a lot more than simply ambiant light.

> If you're tired enough to be "sleep deprived" then you're going to be perfectly capable of going to sleep at 10 instead of 1am, barring some insomniac disorder

Insomniac disorders... like delayed hormonal response causing the circadian rhythm to be out of phase?

> If you're tired, you can sleep at night.

Note that the author eventually sleeps. It's simply out of phase.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Why haven't schools been opening later in the day already since the science has been clear for years that opening later would improve learning? Schools could at least give the option of "early-bird" and "late-bird" like I had in elementary school.

Because improving learning outcomes is only 1 of the jobs schools have. Providing public child care and supervision is another main one and there priorities can conflict.

Early bird/late bird would actually make it a more convenient day care service for parents.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I look forward to looking at your other post and hearing your experiences as a teacher. My wife and her colleagues have experiences that are not positive but perhaps that's a reflection of the age group. I think you are not understanding that it's not a bias if I see people wearing mask outdoors in completely mild weather and assume it's for the virus. Do you really think that people need to keep their faces warm whe…

What you originally said was: When you see people walking around outside wearing masks, know that they have bought into a foolish lie completely removed from any form of science. Now you've shifted to: it's not a bias if I see people wearing mask outdoors in completely mild weather and assume it's for the virus. Which is much more reasonable. You've qualified it to particular situations rather than a blanket "outdoor…

I certainly haven't conducted street surveys of any kind, but yes I actually have asked people in a polite and kind manner why they are wearing mask outside. I did this when I would go pick up my son from his school and we all had to wait out front in about half of the parents were wearing mask while waiting outdoors. As I recall this was in May. I did ask a lady whose daughter was in my son's class. She bluntly stated that it was due to an abundance of caution regarding the virus. In neighboring Boulder County, it was mandatory to wear a mask while picking up children outside of school. I know this for a fact because I accompanied a buddy to pick up his daughter one day and we had to wear masks to comply with the school regulations.

I find it odd that you are expecting me to have a null hypothesis that the masks that have become widely worn in large cities in the midst of a pandemic are not related to the pandemic.

If it was remotely common to see people wearing face coverings 2 years ago I would understand your point. It wasn't as we all know. It became a thing as a result of the pandemic.

That being said all of the explanations you offered are reasonable although the cold sore one was rather amusing to me. I haven't had one in many years but I'm sure by the time I get my next one the masks Will be long gone and I will wish they were a thing again.

The aspect of it that does bug me is the performative nature of explicitly putting on masks in outdoor situations. President Biden came to my area yesterday due to the recent wildfires we experienced. He was outdoors the entire time wearing a mask along with his entire team. He's sitting there trying to connect with people who have lost their homes but they can't see each other's faces at all. For no reason at all based on science. The performative nature of this is rather obvious because you frequently see scenes where they are not wearing a mask of any sort until a camera shows up in which case they immediately put a mask on before posing for the picture.

My primary complaint is not people incidentally wearing a mask as they come out of a building but people who are fairly aggressive and demanding that others wear face coverings outdoors whenever they are near them. I had to go to LA for work several months ago and discovered that it is common to have people yell out their car windows at you if you were walking around on a horse trail in a suburban neighborhood (I was somewhere not too far from Brentwood on this trail) without a mask on. My coworker was laughing when I looked at him with an incredulous face. His response was "that's how it is out here."

Anyway you make a good point that I should not be so quick to judge in the case of the exceptions above. Fair. I will concede. That being said requiring people legally to wear them outdoors is stupid and nonsensical and not in line with any form of science.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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100% of children should do sports, music, etc, especially time intensive ones (especially at a young age) not a small percentage.

That sounds like hell. I was forced into music and soccer for ~6 years as a child, and my complete lack of talent is the only thing that stopped my parents from keeping me at it, they thought like you and didn't care that it was miserable and boring. We are not all the same, and we don't all need to be the same.

I read that as a lack of options. The advocacy here is for some kind of enrichment. Could be a mathematics club or a meditation group, it doesn't matter. Just something.

The theory is that it builds better character.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Thinking that lockdowns are a solution to anything, including a pandemic, was a neat way to drive many people insane. I won’t tell my personal… happenings… but I double on your difficulty.

Please elaborate how are lockdowns not a solution to stop the spread of a pandemic, because they most certainly are, and stopped every country's health system to get to the terrible state Italy's got at the beginning. It's actually quite easy - the virus is airborne. If most people stay indoors and don't meet other people, the spread is significantly stopped.

1. You’re overoptimizing for Covid, and not for health,

2. The adverse effects of mental and physical heath are irreversible,

3. The tanking of the economy and the debt (until 2048 for France) is irreversible,

4. You didn’t even solve Covid.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Depends where you are? Two years ago Canada didn’t have many restrictions at all. Masks weren’t even a requirement in all provinces. Ontario, Canada just cranked up restrictions. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/public-health-measures Quebec now has curfew, primary schools closed. All public events canceled. https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/sante/documents/Pr...

> Quebec now has curfew Wait, how does that work? Do people get arrested just because they are out past curfew? Random ID checks?

There are videos of patrols.

Fined if outside during certain hours without an approved reason.

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coron...

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