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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Anecdote: I had this reaction to the 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine, saw a cardiologist and she mentioned that she’s been seeing this quite a bit after the second dose. Have had to lay low for a month, but it seems like the symptoms are finally passing.

Interesting.

It's also anecdotal, but I have a existing heart condition and experienced no such side-effects post-dose (on either dose (Moderna)).

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

#192
Something I wonder about:

What if inflammation like this is common in many illnesses and simply goes undetected? A previously unseen symptom because no one was paying attention and small illnesses like colds don't receive the level of scrutiny that Covid-19 received.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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I've heard less than 1% of adverse reactions are actually reported to VAERS.

I’ve heard this too, from anti-vaxxers mostly. VAERS is the medical equivalent of Yelp. Anyone can post anything there and looking at the unverified data is not a reliable indication of anything. And, anti-vaxxers have been known to go report things in order to bolster their arguments.

Not to mention, people who parrot that extrapolation don't give the same sort of consideration in the other direction.

Every assumption goes towards their preferred conspiracy.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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No one's interested in adverse vaccine side effects? That seems rather counter to my impression which is based on the number of adults who're hesitant and the fact that FDA halted use of Johnson and Johnson vaccines once already and Europe has had it's own fair share of hand wringing about the Astro-Zeneca vaccine.

Agreed with your observation. Every news source has been brimming with stories on potential adverse reactions as they are discovered, including ones that I'm sure GP would dismiss as "MSM" or "the radical left." The reality is that all current evidence suggests the virus is still far worse than any vaccine side effects.

I mean, look at the guy's hyperbolic rhetoric. He's not interested in any discussion in which he might have to confront the fact that he is wrong.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Has anyone looked at whether the mental stress or anxiety induced by putting someone through the process of getting the shot could be maybe be a reason for triggering this? Not the vaccine itself, but the whole routine of line up, answer questions about allergies and other risk factors, then waiting to get the shot, then having to sit there waiting for symptoms to show up... Not to mention people don't like needles e…

What's up with the down votes... It is a legitimate question. People get heart inflammation from things like court visits. If you know something then please share.

I didn't vote on your post, but I did read it earlier and found it a bit silly. "White coat" syndrome- getting nervous going to the doctor or for medical things, is definitely real. I have it too. I always have a hard time getting my blood pressure checked because I get so involuntarily aggravated by the whole thing. And there are definitely people afraid of needles. But (nearly) everyone has various vaccinations during life, and it feels implausible that you've identified some special new condition people are getting (that in this case was already expected and is just higher) that is specific to these vaccine based on stress instead of the known rare response of the body.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

> Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brain barrier and affecting the heart.

Please dr Cross, where's the link to these studies?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

>As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. As an exhausted 34 year old who spent the last year field-monitoring vaccine trials, I would love to see the sources that informed your position.

> spent the last year field-monitoring vaccine trials

As an adult that was vaccinated, thank you for doing your part to get us all here.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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There will be experts, that is people with relevant credentials, on both sides of every issue, but that doesn't mean they always ought to be listened to. They are being heavily criticized here because the science _overwhelmingly_ supports vaccination.

> science _overwhelmingly_ supports vaccination Not to be pedantic about it, but science always, and in any event supports non vaccination for self and everybody else vaccinating instead. This is true for every disease. If possible it's always smart not to inject yourself with stuff. They just can't say it because then everybody would try and be the last person to get the shot, because the last one gets to skip the s…

>This is true for every disease. If possible it's always smart not to inject yourself with stuff.

Maybe in a vacuum where everyone else around you is guaranteed to get the shot, but based on what I saw from friends and family who contracted COVID, what I've read about its long term effects, and the ongoing uptake of the vaccine I would not say the science inclines me to take my chances without immunity.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...

Very interesting! But I would rather just get infected. To each their own, I’m sure we can agree!

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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The response to this, of course, will be "well the risks of the virus are still higher than those of the vaccine so you should still get it," but I think that misses an important point here. In the absence of long-term safety data on these vaccines, we have engaged in a priori deduction instead: "there's no known mechanism by which mRNA could cause any complications, so it should be fine." The appearance of any signi…

I suggest your interpretation of such reasoning is questionable? I would posit any serious medical and or regulatory body is fully aware that an absolute statement like "no known mechanism" resulting in complications isn't worth much in the face of highly complex and sometimes still little understood mammal bio-chemistry?

What can be asserted with confidence though, is that in the presence of vaccines, severe effects of a infectious disease like COVID are significantly reduced - to the great benefit of the health system and society overall - and that, due to the quite different biological responses to vaccine vs. actual infection, severe effects in general are reduced massively. See lame-robot-hoax's comments.

Nothing in life and certainly with regards to COVID is entirely risk free.

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