Can we get /u/maxwellhill to weigh in on this?
Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Too many times ration discussion critical on parts of the trans rights movement is heavily downvoted or banned. The people who otherwise support trans people, but think 'affirmation-only' approaches are the wrong way to go, are forced to forums/subs filled with people who are unapologetically transphobic. The discussion there will often lead the moderate opinions to radicalization. Of course parts of gay culture can…
> The people who otherwise support trans people, but think 'affirmation-only' approaches are the wrong way to go This is a contradiction in terms. Supporting trans people means believing that transition is not some sort of "regrettable outcome". > are forced to forums/subs filled with people who are unapologetically transphobic. The discussion there will often lead the moderate opinions to radicalization. You are the…
But for some people, transition is a regrettable outcome, even in the very literal sense that they do regret it. "affirmation-only" would mean affirming even people who actually would end up regretting a transition. The technology does not exist to actually make a man into a woman or a woman into a man.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.
That's not what I'm trying to address. I said that I agree that deserves opprobrium! What I have trouble with, is the idea that it's somehow okay for the whole world to deliver it in the form of an ungoverned internet mob. Societies have limits to how much opprobrium you can receive. The reality is that she's probably getting tens of thousands of death threats. In most places you have an inalienable legal right to pr…
What i mean is, your post seemed to imply that the opprobrium should be less because she is trans. I think it should be equal regardless of your gender identity.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the connection to identity politics here? I am missing it.
Because after she was thrown out of the green party she said ‘transphobia’ was the reason she was being thrown out, presumably in an attempt to deflect from the real reason. The real reason was that she recruited her father as a campaign manager while knowing he was being charged for sexual offences, and he would eventually be convicted of raping and torturing a 10 year old child which was held captive in the attic o…
My jaw just hit the floor. Wow. Reddit should be ashamed if this is true.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#195any idea what AC's reddit account is? I heard that she had already been moderating multiple subs
Hopefully it's not against the rules here or anything, but it was identified[0] as /u/bpwpb[1], so Challenor changed[2] profiles to /u/isnottheimposter[3].
[0] https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-bo...
[1] https://reddit.com/u/bpwpb
[2] https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the...
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#196The irony is that I almost certainly would have zero idea who this person was or the existence of this controversy were it not for this crackdown. On one hand I can empathize with people seeing someone they know have negative press about them shared on a site they run and wanting to do something. But I thought the point of professionalism was refraining from this kind of behavior and applying rules consistently even…
You're not wrong. But the person concerned is notoriously litigious, and their employer has a legal duty to protect them from harassment. (Because, AFAIK, they are British and employed in the UK by reddit.) So reddit has no good choice here.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I was fairly certain she left the UK sometimes in 2019 and was employed by Reddit in the US. (But is still a UK citizen and presumably has substantial British interests, so both the UKs notoriously intense libel liability and the USs [and some US state’s] workplace environment laws would both potentially be in play.)
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#197For some reason, there is a fanatical subset of trans people, almost all of them biological men who identify as women, who are extremely prominent on the Internet, and particularly on Reddit. They wield an influence that is out of all proportion to their numbers.
Edit: for this story in particular, there is a pressure of cancel culture on both sides. On one side, a person's husband got doxxed after having admitted online to having pedophilic fantasies. On the other side, there is mass Reddit censorship together with attempts to cancel people for supposedly being "transphobic". The cancelation and doxxing seem unwarranted and unpleasant to me regardless of which side is doing it.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Deadnaming" is explicitly using the birth/non-current name of a trans person. The article does that, and also uses "he" throughout. Both of those things are typically seen as quite offensive by trans people. I don't think a site-wide ban of the person who posted the link is reasonable, but it is a shitty article.
I skimmed both articles and have found no proof of this. Both say "she", "Ms", and the correct name.
That's true of the articles directly linked in the reddit post, but not the Spectator article (that was not linked to) - https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/aimee-challenor-and-the-... - that one. (Which is the link that apparently led to the banning of the person who posted it)
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve always wanted to see on HN a public audit trail of all moderator modified, or removed posts and comments. That would give greater transparency and might prevent moderators enforcing their own beliefs and norms. Then again the counter argument, or point, is that HN won’t do that because it could open mods to greater pressure, unless it’s actually corporate policy to control the narrative. Any other reasons why HN…
Without all the information you're still left with a lot of mystery. I might ban an account, for seemingly nothing, because I can see they've created 15 accounts in the last two days to troll and stir shit up. Partial information seems to create as many, if not more, conspiracies than no information. Moderating large social systems is tricky.
I think any action done can be noted to that effect, but a step towards transparency should be a goal, because over time and interaction that “mystery” cold be solved. Wikipedia records all changes for review, with such an erudite crowd behind HN, it would seem trivial to establish such a system.
Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the connection to identity politics here? I am missing it.
Because after she was thrown out of the green party she said ‘transphobia’ was the reason she was being thrown out, presumably in an attempt to deflect from the real reason. The real reason was that she recruited her father as a campaign manager while knowing he was being charged for sexual offences, and he would eventually be convicted of raping and torturing a 10 year old child which was held captive in the attic o…
So I would love to know how Reddit's owner's justify her hiring.