UK to depart from GDPR • Hacker News Board

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by avian » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:01 AM UTC

brmgb wrote: post #168

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #122

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I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

To be honest, there is little emotional investment in Europe regarding Brexit. People wanted to be done with it as the process was wasting valuable union time and there was a feeling it was needlessly draging on but from what I have seen Europeans actually care very little about the UK. Brexit mostly was and remains a domestic issue which is why it's such a touchy subject on HN where there is probably a significant n…

> there is little emotional investment in Europe regarding Brexit

As someone from the continental Europe, this is not at all my experience, but I'm sure this depends on the specific social bubble I'm in. There are plenty of people around that had their lives complicated because of it, enough that most people I know have very strong feelings about it.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by callamdelaney » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:02 AM UTC

arethuza wrote: post #130

noir_lord wrote: post #120

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I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way. One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up". I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though. Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the con…

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

The difference is that the referendum was stacked against leave in every conceivable way. For example, the remain campaign had £6m more to work with. On top of this the government spent £9m on pro remain leaflets and social media advertising.

Add onto this the fact that the government wheeled out every 'expert' it could find to constantly cry about how bad brexit would be - most of them were lying (Mark Carney, George Osbourne in particular told lies of the most astounding nature - for example that brexit would cause more damage to the economy than WW2? Think about that for a minute.).

If anything the establishment was stacked against brexit.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Nextgrid » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 AM UTC

tomelders wrote: post #80

GDPR should have been implemented as a standard that browser vendors should implement. e.g. ``` window.getPersonalDataPreferences() ``` It should only prompt the user to submit their preferences if no preferences were detected, or a specific permission is required to allow certain features. People may argue that everyone will just turn everything off everywhere and forget about it, and I would argue "so what?". The b…

We had that in the form a "Do Not Track" header and not only did nobody obey it, but malicious actors actually used it as an extra fingerprinting vector to track you even more.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Daho0n » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 AM UTC

andy_ppp wrote: post #14

melomal wrote: post #5

I can honestly say that I think it made little to no difference, across the board. The requirements etc have not been fulfilled by most companies, why bother.

I helped build a GDPR compliant system for container shipping crew personnel details that included passport photos and other sensitive details. GDPR was actually helpful in that it asks you to treat personal data as if it’s as important as credit card data. We did this and consequently if you had a a database dump or backup you’d be really hard pushed to extract any crew information from it and getting at passport co…

If you deleted those first four words your comment would read much better and likely not be downvoted :)

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by carmen_sandiego » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 AM UTC

shrew wrote: post #178

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #74

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I don't think you're right at all. The US is the dominant online market. China is second. Neither have the stupid popups, so why wouldn't the UK just get added to the list of 'places we don't need to show it'? Have you ever tried browsing many US news sites? They block the entire EU from even seeing their content. That's how much they care about their in-GDPR users. The idea that people cater to a global audience by…

Okay, fair point, they might just re-include the UK in whatever exclusion list they have and that'll be that. But since GDPR came into force, others have followed suit, several other countries have begun implementing similar legislation. This is anecdata, so fair warning, but over the last year (at a guess) I've noticed many US sites, FAANG companies but also smaller sites too, all flashing cookie/data protection typ…

I'm pretty sure those hyper-annoying multiple-popup flows that happen on YouTube, Google search, etc. are completely localized.

Yes it adds complexity, but the size of the markets and companies involved means there's a massive leverage effect. If you get 1,000 people landing on your homepage, small changes in conversion don't justify engineering time or complexity, true. If you've got billions of users, engineering cost pales in comparison to the revenue gain from even a marginal improvement in conversion rate, so it gets done.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 AM UTC

HugoDaniel wrote: post #54

lanevorockz wrote: post #23

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The EU as a political union exists a little over a decade, if anything the UK never adapted to it.

Mistaking the EU, the political union as an evolved form of the Rome treaty, with Euro, the coin. All that with the tone of absolute certainty and authority. Hacker News has reached new lows :(

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by SirHound » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:04 AM UTC

callamdelaney wrote: post #174

SirHound wrote: post #153

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As a Brit living in it I would tend to disagree. By the way if you're a leaver I've been looking for someone to cover the additional costs you've voted to put on me, DM if interested.

Ah yes, the common myth that before the EU nobody could live in any other country which is now a constituent of the EU.

It isn't a myth, there's a marked difference between having the right to live somewhere and merely the possibility.

Before, it was my right to live in the Netherlands. Now, it is just a possibility.

Thanks to the Withdrawal Agreement, because I already live here, I was given the "right" to apply for a residency, which like 99% of applicants, I received. I can now enjoy that for 5 years, after which I will need sponsorship from a company.

This sponsorship is a key difference, which anyone who has moved to the US can attest to. When your continued existence in a country is contingent on workplace sponsorship the power dynamics between you and your employer are really quite different.

In addition, it's one thing for me in a skilled occupation to be able to leave the country. But I have a friend whose boyfriend may be coming here on an art scholarship. She isn't in a skilled occupation. Before, she would have had the right to come here too. Now, I'm pretty doubtful that she'll be able to join him.

At 24 and probably unlikely to ever leave the UK I wouldn't expect you to understand any of this. But it is the lived reality, previously of every British person leaving the EU and now every British person who leaves the UK.

Edit: But of course, I'm not the first person to explain this to you, and it's not the last time you'll bray to the cheap seats with this mischaracterisation.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by rob74 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:05 AM UTC

noir_lord wrote: post #120

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

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I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way. One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up". I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though. Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the con…

> 49 and younger voted remain getting more strongly remain as you go younger

Yeah, but unfortunately only 64% of the under 35 year olds bothered to turn up, while in the older age groups the turnout was much higher (80% for 35-64, 89% for over 65). That was probably a result of many (including the polls) thinking that the "Leave" side didn't have a chance of winning, same as many US Democrat supporters (also supported by the polls) didn't think Trump could win. The US voters got to correct their mistake four years later, no such luck for the UK voters unfortunately...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by monkey_monkey » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:05 AM UTC

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #122

bb123 wrote: post #103

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Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

I hope you realise you're also describing your contribution to this debate.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dansimau » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:06 AM UTC

bb123 wrote: post #148

tubularhells wrote: post #141

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Australia is very much like the US, and worse in many regards. You just have no idea about any of it.

In the spirit of keeping these comments high quality I'd love engage with you about this. Why do you think that? I'm actually a dual citizen of the UK and Australia and I have to say my experience is that neither country is anything like the US. (Beware when assuming you know who you're talking to on the internet ;) )

I grew up in the city in Australia. Once when I crossed the road (as a pedestrian) at a red light, a police officer on the other side of the street stopped me and gave me a warning for jaywalking. Before I had walked, I had looked both ways and deemed it safe; there was no traffic and no other pedestrians waiting.

(In my mind: I am just a person on planet Earth, trying to get from position A to position B, less than 5 metres away).

Having now lived in the UK and Netherlands for over 10 years, I feel this would never happen here. I would expect this in the US though (so I rarely jaywalk on the few times I have been there).

I tell this anecdote as an example to my friends when I try to describe how Australia has a mix of influences from both Europe and the US.