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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by tubularhells »

bb123 wrote: post #103
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

Australia is very much like the US, and worse in many regards. You just have no idea about any of it.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by ewidar »

DangerousPie wrote: post #101
oytis wrote: post #85

Well, we'll see. The pandemic has shown that tracking can be a huge economic advantage - and it's likely not the last pandemic we encounter. OTOH targeting adtech can redirect resources to some more potentially useful areas.

I don't think GDPR applies to governments anyway, does it?

It depends on what you mean:

GDPR does not prevent EU government from handling their citizens personal data for bureaucracy.

However a good example of GDPR applying to the government is the COVID tracking app built by (for?) the French government, which still has to provide ways to opt out from tracking + clean your personal data.

I think that's what the GP was talking about.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by _wmhc »

lanevorockz wrote: post #58
dash2 wrote: post #6

YIPPEE. Does this mean no more of those stupid little popups every time I see a site? HOORAY. Does it mean less absurd bureaucracy and non-jobs? GREAT. As for data privacy... does anyone seriously think that Facebook was stopped from collecting data due to GDPR?

That is true, it’s pure naivety to believe GDPR changed anything. It enforced cookies to ask for permission and a few billions in extra bureaucracy. I don’t get why people want to live in a Kafka novel

I work in the privacy field. I can tell you that after GDPR the multi national I work for has become a lot more careful/aware about data privacy. We went from collect everything and just store it, to actually having limitation of data collected and how long they are stored.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by callamdelaney »

Eszik wrote: post #134
callamdelaney wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 24 and voted for brexit. In fact I campaigned for it and would do so again. It's really a very poor form to resort to the "dumb old racists voted for brexit hurr".

I mean, 73% of the 18-24 and 62% of the 25-34 voted remain, whereas 60% of the 55+ voted leave. Statistically, it's a pretty valid point.

73% of 18-24 year olds say they voted remain, but did they actually show up? Also did they vote remain because it's cool or did they actually have some other reason?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Chris2048 »

jleask wrote: post #41
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

48% of us realized this

So, all the Brexit opposed politicians are against this?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

callamdelaney wrote: post #109
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I'm 24 and voted for brexit. In fact I campaigned for it and would do so again. It's really a very poor form to resort to the "dumb old racists voted for brexit hurr".

I really don't want dive into these discussions, the "dumb old racist" argument is your own and not in any of my comment.

Your own example is a single datapoint and according to the vote statistics you are a de facto minority in your age cohort.[0]

[0] https://www.politico.eu/article/graphics-how-the-uk-voted-eu...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by fumblebee »

> "too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them"

This is a deeply depressing take if the conclusion is to scrap GDPR. Is this true for 'data' in the general sense, or actually only true in the murky cases where there's an opportunity to use and abuse our personal data.

In my book, that implies that GDPR is working exactly as we hoped it would.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by bb123 »

tubularhells wrote: post #141
bb123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

Australia is very much like the US, and worse in many regards. You just have no idea about any of it.

In the spirit of keeping these comments high quality I'd love engage with you about this. Why do you think that? I'm actually a dual citizen of the UK and Australia and I have to say my experience is that neither country is anything like the US. (Beware when assuming you know who you're talking to on the internet ;) )

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by carmen_sandiego »

dbetteridge wrote: post #133
carmen_sandiego wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I somewhat miss the days when the corruption was at least somewhat veiled. Oh, nonsense. People disagree with you politically. That doesn't make it 'unveiled corruption'. What a lazy way to think.

I can handle political disagreement just fine. But there is a systemic and widely recognised issue in the UK with the government flagrantly handing out public money without due diligence or fair recourse. Selling citizens data for profit is just another data point. https://medium.com/shit-britain/the-bumper-uk-conservative-g... https://thejist.co.uk/politics/a-list-of-alleged-conservativ... https://www.thelondonecono…

Believing that companies should be allowed to exploit data for profit is a political position, not corruption. Same for most of the things discussed in your links. Just because you might find something callous, or otherwise objectionable, doesn't make it corruption.

It's also not inherently corruption when a (group of) companies go to a politician and say "we think X would be good" and the politician goes on to support X. Even if X is profitable for the companies. Many things that are profitable are also good for wider society.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by ethbr0 »

dependsontheq wrote: post #33
killtimeatwork wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in an large euroepan enterprise and our GDPR compliance is... absymal. And we're not even investing that much into becoming more compliant. My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions.

That my be true - but I work with a lot of companies and they way the legal departments are hunting down problems has changed dramatically. I have customers that are asking "Do we really need this kind of data".

This, 100%.

GDPR and California et al. turned data privacy from a technical-moral issue into a legal one.

And healthy companies have a robust, empowered legal department to keep them on the right side of the law.

When Technical Architect says "We shouldn't do this," few listen. When General Counsel says "We can't do this," things change.

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