Tesla cars haven’t been around long enough in a quantity to be able to even determine long term reliability. Short term reliability is obviously a joke assessment. My bet is as time carries on Tesla cars will rank low. No reason other than they are a new comer and you learn and improve reliability through real world experience like Honda. I would never buy a Tesla.
Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey
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Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's more that reliability only really comes with maturity as a car company. In the same way that the reliability of a code base increases with maturity. A car is like a code base in that no one person ever fully understands the entire thing.
I've seen plenty of code bases become less reliable over time. I once took over a project that had been going on for 10+ years. Reliability was terrible. The first thing I did was stop all changes, and only allow critical blockers to be fixed. That eventually made it stable enough to be useful. Reliability takes more that time. It takes competence and attention to detail.
For sure. Old codebases can be but are not necessarily mature.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like they started dropping touchscreens in 2019: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...
That's interesting. My car (2019MY) must be a transition model because I have the 7-way controller in the center console, but the screen can still be touched.
Ars Technica's 2019 Mazda 3 review also notes that the control dial now only spins and clicks, no more pushing it up/down/left/right. That must have been the first model to get the changes.
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#194This survey is garbage. Survey design is an art. And unfortunately, this survey does not differentiate between a big problem like "brakes are shot" and a small one like "My spotify playlist doesn't show up like I want". Dig a bit deeper, for Tesla, > Infotainment is the source of more than a quarter of all problems Another thing to point out is that J.D. Power’s IQS does not differentiate between a problem that is th…
> But to truly compare them, a more credible source of information is necessary.
Here are some people's direct experiences of Tesla build quality:
- Model Y quality at delivery: https://insideevs.com/features/433821/model-y-video-warns-no...
- Another Model Y quality discussion (they talk about it at the start of the video, don't need to watch the whole thing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMvBIPov67g
- Model 3 versus a puddle of water. The puddle wins: https://insideevs.com/news/433643/video-tesla-model-3-rear-b...
The survey seems to match the reality.
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#195Everytime Tesla is mentioned here the deluge of hate is overwhelming. I genuinely don't understand it. Here comes a company that is actually doing something fundamentally transformative and good for the planet and its inhabitants instead just another in the countless line of garbage apps that at best are a solution looking for a problem and at worst actively contributing to the destruction of our species (Facebook).…
I will not argue that Tesla is doing things differently. I have one gripe with the absolute truth suggested by "good for the planet and its inhabitants" that so many EV manufacturers ride on. Are electric cars good for the planet? Nope. Are they less bad than gas cars? Maybe. It's like saying that Diet coke is good for you because it replaces normal coke that is bad for you. That's an erroneous and arguably dangerous…
Will your belief be different if knowing that there are those where owning a car is the only option -- where bikes nor public transportation can get us to our destination on a day to day basis?
Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's more that reliability only really comes with maturity as a car company. In the same way that the reliability of a code base increases with maturity. A car is like a code base in that no one person ever fully understands the entire thing.
I've seen plenty of code bases become less reliable over time. I once took over a project that had been going on for 10+ years. Reliability was terrible. The first thing I did was stop all changes, and only allow critical blockers to be fixed. That eventually made it stable enough to be useful. Reliability takes more that time. It takes competence and attention to detail.
Mature does not imply old; it means feature-stable, proven and understood.
An example I know, Canon's pro-level cameras are mature on the day that they go on sale to the public because they have been tested around the world for a year or more to verify and debug the design. That's part of their appeal, users know that they're putting $8000 into a mature camera that will get the job done, though with fewer features and baubles than a Sony.
Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey
#197Everytime Tesla is mentioned here the deluge of hate is overwhelming. I genuinely don't understand it. Here comes a company that is actually doing something fundamentally transformative and good for the planet and its inhabitants instead just another in the countless line of garbage apps that at best are a solution looking for a problem and at worst actively contributing to the destruction of our species (Facebook).…
There is fact. You don't understand why is it happening... you argue against it. Not a scientific approach.
I would better start with facts and build hypothesis. Like it is about hype and false marketing claims and disillusioned people. Company underdevilers. There is a clean separation of
+ premium first
+ battery tech
± UI
− breaking fast
− autopilot
− support
Strange for you to mention "man", there is not much about him in the thread. His approach has a niche but is generally understood as a liability for a stable company. Megafactory, "production bottlenecks" and "production hell", no one cares.
Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey
#198This survey is garbage. Survey design is an art. And unfortunately, this survey does not differentiate between a big problem like "brakes are shot" and a small one like "My spotify playlist doesn't show up like I want". Dig a bit deeper, for Tesla, > Infotainment is the source of more than a quarter of all problems Another thing to point out is that J.D. Power’s IQS does not differentiate between a problem that is th…
It's also useless in time frame. This is over the first few months of ownership. I've owned two of the cars that rank near the top of this list and it's problems after 5 years that I care about. That's when you start to pay out of pocket and the problems get big. Most cars, now, don't survive ten years, but I want a car that's reliable from year 5 to year 10.
This still helps you. Unless you expect a car that is constantly in the shop the first five years to magically stop needing work after that. Yes it's possible that some of the top cars switch places in the 5-10 range, but its very unlikely a bottom 5 car is going to eclipse a top 5 car.
Most cars are also far more reliable now than you are thinking. Every big company makes cars now that routinely last 200k-300k miles, that takes more than 10 years of driving for most people.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think one of the questions is gizmo factor. My car doesn't have an infotainment system, so I can't have problems with it. A premium car with premium luxuries like bluetooth, air conditioning, GPS, self-driving, power windows, heads-up display, that button that open doors on minivans, airbags, and the like will have a lot more failures than a 1950-era Ford F150 truck. Does that make it a worse car? A better car? Or…
Are bluetooth, air conditioning, or airbags really considered 'premium luxuries'?
Word. My 2011 Ford Fiesta had bluetooth, AC, and airbags.
But to the OP/parent's point, my newer car is a luxury model and it has a touchscreen infotainment thing -- and I hate it. 10/10 would rather have nobs that I can feel physically, or even just elevated bumps on the plastic (kinda like braille) so that I know I'm on the "seek station >>" part of the touchscreen.