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New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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How's the CSU authoritarian? That's like throwing expletives around; you might as well call them Nazis and get it over with.

It's not. Modern CDU/CSU are basically where the social democrats were about ten years ago.

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Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Browsers blacklisted Kazakhstan government certificate used for MITM which was not even trusted. It is absurd to expect anything less than blacklisting such a CA immediately. Certificate transparency is required for all certificates since April, 2018, so you can't really issue rogue certificate.

Here's the Bugzilla report where they actually request their root be added to Firefox: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1232689 The answer is basically "no".

AFAIK they used different certificate for MITM. Currently they are using certificate mentioned in that bug to issue certificates for government websites (like https://elicense.kz/ ), so actually a lot of citizens who need to use government services have to install that certificate as a root anyway.

I don't think that they would use that certificate for MITM. They're not fools and they understand that it would lead to blacklisting it which would halt a lot of operations in the country.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #170

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How's the CSU authoritarian? That's like throwing expletives around; you might as well call them Nazis and get it over with.

It's not. Modern CDU/CSU are basically where the social democrats were about ten years ago.

Precisely!

Yet more proof that "Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit". And the speed limit seems to be rather generous in this case. But for some it's never high enough, they'd pull down all of Chesterton's fences at the merest whim.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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To not even be sure whether a website you visit, or a file you download is actually what its creator says it is, is like picking up an orange but the government secretly replaces it with an apple that contains almost no vitamin C in it at all. You have the right to seek out and eat an orange for your immune system and survival, and no government should have the right to interfere with that, at any time. This law is a…

> Whoever proposed it should be ashamed of themselves. Our current government doesn't even know what that means. This is why a VPN is indeed helpful, because now ISP are the primary attack vector.

So the next step will be for the governments to use VPN as the primary vector of attack

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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> Whoever proposed it should be ashamed of themselves Name and shame: Interior Minister Horst Seehofer of the conservative-authoritarian CSU. He and his party friends are who want this. We have the chance to kick them out of office in 2021, it's time for the stranglehold of Conservative internet-printers (Internetausdrucker, a German word for tech illiterates) as Interior Ministers to end once and for all .

> Conservative internet-printers By association Otto Schily wasn't a conservative and yet...

Otto Schily exited office in 2005, fifteen years ago. While he is a law-and-order hardliner himself, he's not relevant for any recent discussions. Since then the office was filled by hardline authoritarians (Schäuble, Maiziere, HP Friedrich, Maiziere, Seehofer).

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #197

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> Whoever proposed it should be ashamed of themselves. Our current government doesn't even know what that means. This is why a VPN is indeed helpful, because now ISP are the primary attack vector.

So the next step will be for the governments to use VPN as the primary vector of attack

Yes, I would recommend a VPN service beyond the jurisdiction of your own government. It is not complete protection, but it is another step. Of course paying them is a transaction that would require the provider to regard local laws, but there are still ways around that. The law will be challenged of course and I hope it will get repelled. Until then this can all help. But yes, be careful with your choice of VPN or host your own.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #170

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> Whoever proposed it should be ashamed of themselves Name and shame: Interior Minister Horst Seehofer of the conservative-authoritarian CSU. He and his party friends are who want this. We have the chance to kick them out of office in 2021, it's time for the stranglehold of Conservative internet-printers (Internetausdrucker, a German word for tech illiterates) as Interior Ministers to end once and for all .

How's the CSU authoritarian? That's like throwing expletives around; you might as well call them Nazis and get it over with.

Look at the history of CDU/CSU interior ministers, both federal and in the states. They are authoritarians, and their party line regarding interior politics is authoritarian.

As for calling them Nazis... well, when one looks at the events regarding former Verfassungsschutz chef Maaßen, instituted by HP Friedrich and protected by successor Seehofer until it was no longer tenable, who is accused of having protected the AfD during his term: it's not that far to at least imply ideological support or tolerance toward far right political positions.

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