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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by TeMPOraL »

themagician wrote: post #173
plehoux wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.

We don't need Starlink or SpaceX or VPNs. Radio is difficult if not impossible to block with clever operators. The system is known. Satellite will always be subject to whoever is in power at the time and it won't work within a building. If you want to get information in and out the best option is—and possible always will be–a network of skilled radio operators.

An unfortunate side effect of the way HAM licenses are handled worldwide is that each government has a handy list of almost every citizen with enough knowledge and experience to build, service and use radio stations - complete with addresses and a partial inventory of equipment in circulation. It makes confiscating radio equipment and detaining operators much, much easier.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by chr1 »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #85
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

This is a very inaccurate and misleading characterization, there was no one single war, and the warring sides have changed alliances and some were wiped out completely.

Until about 1920s kurds were mostly on the same side as turkish government, and were helping turks to quell rare rebellions of non-muslim population (mostly armenians, greeks, assyrians) who were treated as second class citizens. Only in 1920s after most of the non-muslim population was killed in genocide, or displaced during population exchange with greece, Turkey started using their honed ethnic cleansing skills against Kurds.

There is as much reason for Kurdistan to be part of Turkey, as for African countries to be part of France, but Turkey not only doesn't agree to this but also fights against kurds in neighbouring countries. It can be stopped either when Turkey becomes civilized (1) country, like european countries did, or when stronger countries force it to behave in a civilized manner, like US was doing until now.

(1) denying genocide, having laws against "insulting Turkishness", oppressing minorities are not things that civilized countries do

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by TeMPOraL »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #141
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

It's exactly the sentiment now in Poland. We have some precedents in our own history, especially in the beginning of the WW II, and a lot of people are shaking their heads - we consider ourselves as important US allies but it's clearly interpreted as the sign that you can only count on yourself in this world.

> we consider ourselves as important US allies

I remember hearing that on the news regularly since at least the invasion of Iraq, and I still don't understand why our politicians keep repeating it. It's bullshit. To the US, we barely register on the map.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by m00dy »

_ink_ wrote: post #77
m00dy wrote: post #65

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First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

Turkey is stealing a 30km wide coridor from a different country. If they want a safe zone, they could implement it on their side of the border.

Turkey has been fighting with PKK for than 30 years now. I can say that having a safe zone within our borders didn't work so far.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by nightwing »

m00dy wrote: post #57
m00dy wrote: post #53

Dear Ladies,Gentleman and all non binary people, Turkey is doing a really important military offence and I strongly believe that having this kind of cautions should be in place to control unexpected things might happen in the region. Last but not least, this is an actual war not a movie in your tv set. So, governments should have basic instinct to protect their citizens.

you can devote my comment. But, you can't change my mind.

> you can devote my comment. But, you can't change my mind.

Is that really something to be proud about?

Maybe you meant "By simply downvoting my comment, you don't change my opinion, so it's better to write a comment with actual counter-arguments", which would be a comment i would upvote.

But what you wrote sounds like a statement that you have an opinion which you are unwilling to change independently of arguments and facts, and that is sad.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by thelittleone »

dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

It's disturbing that it's happening so often it's becoming a norm. I guess it's fair then for people to assume the worst. That the government is committing acts so heinous they can't allow them to be discussed.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by thelittleone »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #191
themagician wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need Starlink or SpaceX or VPNs. Radio is difficult if not impossible to block with clever operators. The system is known. Satellite will always be subject to whoever is in power at the time and it won't work within a building. If you want to get information in and out the best option is—and possible always will be–a network of skilled radio operators.

An unfortunate side effect of the way HAM licenses are handled worldwide is that each government has a handy list of almost every citizen with enough knowledge and experience to build, service and use radio stations - complete with addresses and a partial inventory of equipment in circulation. It makes confiscating radio equipment and detaining operators much, much easier.

If by saying "each government" you mean globally, that's just wrong. It's certainly not the case in many developing countries (e.g., Indonesia).

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by thelittleone »

99052882514569 wrote: post #165
driverdan wrote: post #69

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Blocking sites like this is never reasonable.

I disagree. Keeping your opponent in the 'fog of war' is a legitimate, reasonable military aim. In the olden days, radio/TV transmissions and newspaper publication was severely restricted during military operations. Today, those are largely irrelevant as news is spread on social media, so this block is the modern-era equivalent. Note how my argument does not depend on whether we're talking about a good war, bad war,…

That seems like a convenient justification and minor strategic benefit rather than the real issue. This is about PR / image management and controlling the narrative. An outraged domestic and international community can limit your options (look at Hong Kong).

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by MFLoon »

Faark wrote: post #113
plehoux wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.

I know the fan community likes to make this argument, but SpaceX will most likely cooperate with major governments. Fighting oppressive regimes is not something I remember Must doing, yet. And he has no problem setting up shop e.g. in China.

He hasn't really had reason to, none of his businesses thus far have involved media, telecom or social media. Not saying it's particularly likely that he would go against the grain, but its a bit unfair to say he hasn't when he hasn't had occasion to yet.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by chr1 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #31
oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25

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Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

this is getting downvoted but its essentially true. The separatism in Catalonia has strong roots in a sort of local superiority complex, not oppression. It's similar to Lega in Northern Italy.

Are you sure that, existence of separate language and suppression of Catalan culture during the Franco period have nothing to do with the desire to have separate country, and only some strange superiority complex causes it?
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