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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by IanSanders »

dmichulke wrote: post #164
IanSanders wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I will now start my move out of the EU While good for you, EU will have one less citizen opposing internet restriction. We need a better way to deal with this but I cannot think of one. >Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time. That's what it converges to. Good ones don't survive.

He's "voting with his feet" aka "Brain drain". The most effective way to change one's political environment since man could walk, enlightenment and democracy notwithstanding.

This does not address the root of the problem. No matter where you go, you will be a minority, susceptible to these kinds of "reforms".

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by raverbashing »

rcxdude wrote: post #176
raverbashing wrote: post #168

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Well, Farage voted against this crap. Which should be a shame to the other MEPs but apparently not.

This is UKIP's stopped clock being right once a day, they just vote against anything in the EU. They would support a worse version of the bill locally.

Yeah, it could be, but then why the other EurSkep. parties voted for it?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by skrebbel »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #142
rmoriz wrote: post #45

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It's purely democratic. Median age of Germans is 48 and most old people just want cheap gas to heat their houses. They are still offline and don't care about the pyramid scheme /dba/ welfare state.

You mean "It's poorly democratic" and not "It's purely democratic", right?

I'm seriously baffled about the amount of HN commenters, who I'd assume are highly educated, who think that democracy doesn't work if they don't agree with every law produced by it.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by tomhoward »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #101
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #57

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Hey, I hate google almost as much as people who eat while on the computer, but I still think this law is dumb. Many have already pointed out how it actually plays directly into the hands of Google and other big tech.

I don't understand this view at all. Why would a company that benefits this law spend so much money trying to prevent it from passing? Surely by now we recognize that big tech will always move in the direction of its own profits, so shouldn't we look at what they're aiming for, and recognize that is their best case scenario? I would argue that the people who make policy decisions at Google are incredibly smart. If th…

> I don't understand this view at all. Why would a company that benefits this law spend so much money trying to prevent it from passing?

A couple of Devil's Advocate suggestions for you:

- Their self-interest is enlightened enough to see that there is long-term benefit in the playing field being at least somewhat even, e.g., because unassailable monopolies become lazy and eventually collapse under their own weight.

- The people who run Google were startup founders once, and many of their employees and products were once startup founders/startups, so they know that a healthy startup ecosystem is to their benefit.

I neither strongly believe nor disbelieve the truth of these positions. Nor do I know if they are any part of Google’s thinking behind its campaigning.

I'm just suggesting them as possibilities that might help you make your own position more robust.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by dvdkhlng »

paule89 wrote: post #20

Are we able to see, who voted how? I would like to have a website showing you which persons not to vote, in your location for the upcoming eu votes in may.

This list of votes was just linked from blog.fefe.de:

https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot...

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by rcxdude »

LifeLiverTransp wrote: post #97

Good things the brits found the ejection seat lever for this before it was too late. Will vote for any party thats want to get out of this next vote.

The UK will likely not go in a better direction. non-UKIP UK MEPs were in general in favour of this legislation (UKIP only against because they are against anything the EU does, not because they are in any way more informed on the issue).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by paganel »

Juliate wrote: post #190
paganel wrote: post #181

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Armies are supposed to fight against foreign troops, at worst, they are supposed to take sides in the event of a civil war, in no way are they supposed to be sent against their own citizenry. At least not in a democratic country. What's worst is that the crooks that run things around my part of the continent (I live in Eastern Europe) have given Macron's recent actions as an example, as in: "if France's rulers are ha…

Militaries were not sent against anyone, they were placed to protect more of the institutions (that were not on the paths of protests), so that police forces could be relieved there to be concentrated on hot protest areas.

The Gendarmerie (a quasi-military force) have been quite apt at sending hard things into people's faces, no need to send in the military. This was purely a show of force from Macron.

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Post by sprash »

Tomte wrote: post #162
sprash wrote: post #124

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I never said that the US is a great example for a functioning democracy. The best example for democracy is Switzerland. It also has the highest standard of living in the world as a result.

Switzerland's high standard of living is almost entirely due to their smartness. They kept out of wars and as a result could incrementally (and exponentially) build wealth instead of rebuilding their country from ruins every few decades.

It kept out of wars because it is a direct democracy.

People almost never vote in favor of war.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by nabla9 »

andy_ppp wrote: post #187
nabla9 wrote: post #174

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Climate change denial is large problem only in Anglosphere. Germany did more than any other country to realize the modern renewable-energy industry and it's failed its climate goals. The lesson should be that you have to try every tool in the toolbox, including nuclear energy. Fukushima accident revealed the irrationality of the public. Fukushima-scale accident every decade somewhere in the world would be low cost to…

I think the problem of nuclear proliferation shouldn't be underestimated in this grand idea to replace fossil fuels. A few extra nuclear bombs going off per year in cities would soon change the desire for this I suspect.

Nuclear proliferation has relatively little to do with nuclear power in developed countries.
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