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U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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I am really concerned about the rapid development of the Huawei case. Sure Huawei has issues, but which corporation doesn’t. If you are an US exec, I would limit travel to China as one can risk being arrested for frivolous reasons.

If Apple execs conducted espionage on behalf of the US Government, they should be targeted. The concern is, they don't, but they will still be targeted.

What about NSA backdoors built into all US Corporations platforms?

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I am really concerned about the rapid development of the Huawei case. Sure Huawei has issues, but which corporation doesn’t. If you are an US exec, I would limit travel to China as one can risk being arrested for frivolous reasons.

Regarding "rapid development:" As far as I can tell, they have been building this case for years. As for announcing the charges when they did, they sort of had to under the U.S.-Canada extradition treaty or Meng would have been released (I believe they had until January 30). Canada will not hold people indefinitely just because the U.S. asks nicely.

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In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

if I google my name on github I can find code that was stolen from my time working at one of the major NEV's (not Huawei/ZTE) by our colleagues working at the Chinese site. The guy stealing it literally uploaded it all to his github repo including my original copyright stanza just after he moved to a Chinese state backed company.

frankly, speaking Chinese makes you an expert about this as much as is speaking English makes you an expert about Google.

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you already know how it is with the US Gov: free markets are great unless we lose, in which case free markets go out the window and we start going after your relatives. hopefully China will not drop to that level, but we've already seen the nationalists arresting Canadian citizens. let's just hope Tim Cook doesn't have any relatives travelling to China.

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Not an overreach but a testament to how strong US' global standing is. I bet only US could have pulled this off. No other country, despite what crimes Huawei conducted against them could have done this.

I believe even Lichtenstein could issue a red notice. Not sure it has much to do with the power of the US.

From my understanding, technically not a red notice, as they're used when there's no extradition treaty.

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Like I said, they do not consider it a crime. Lying to the banks was means to an end--doing business with Iran. Like if you deal drugs, you will also evade taxes.

> Like if you deal drugs, you will also evade taxes. Not necessarily. You could choose to pay taxes on that income to the IRS. The IRS provides a way to report illegal income and pay taxes on it. https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17 > Illegal activities. Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (F…

I get it, but let's see: don't declare it and you may get a pass. Declare it and you're certainly going to jail for longer than tax evasion.

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you already know how it is with the US Gov: free markets are great unless we lose, in which case free markets go out the window and we start going after your relatives. hopefully China will not drop to that level, but we've already seen the nationalists arresting Canadian citizens. let's just hope Tim Cook doesn't have any relatives travelling to China.

That's the sad truth. No principles, just abusing the power of being superpower.

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If Apple execs conducted espionage on behalf of the US Government, they should be targeted. The concern is, they don't, but they will still be targeted.

So far the only major international espionage scandal that was proven (unless you consider Snowden a liar) was the NSA scandal, which showed how American companies were involved in an international scheme (willingly or not, it doesn’t matter) to spy on both allied nations and enemy countries. Nothing like that has ever emerged about China.

That’s because it isn’t a story. People are routinely arrested in China for things they share on the very-much-not-encrypted WeChat. Anything that goes through any chinese tech company can be assumed to be have been read and processed by the government.

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In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

Equating "stealing trade secrects" with "打破技术封锁" is disingenuous. And this

> you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it

is a blatant lie.

Sure, if you just want to feel superior, keep making blanket statements like this. But if you really want the West to outcompete China, you'd better spend more time on understanding the intricacies.

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I don't get it. What you wrote and what you're responding to are not in contradiction with one another. On what basis is what GP said a lie? What relevance does 5G have to anything? Progress in technology is progress regardless. I just watched a few episodes of Black Mirror so I'm in cynical mode. I'm not trying to be argumentative but it just felt more like a non-sequitur than anything... Progress is good (mostly),…

> On what basis is what GP said a lie? stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁”

Can you show a few press articles in which that term is glorified as "stealing from the west" as GP mentions? As far as I can tell using translators, the usage is almost exclusively in articles talking about their own research, technical and scientific advancements, etc. Nothing that implies stealing.

So is that "translation" actually a translation or just the personal interpretation of GP based on their preferences and understanding?

P.S. I'm genuinely curious for those articles, just in case you're interested in supporting the idea that the word actually has a more "creative" translation. Shouldn't be hard to find given that there are "lots of Chinese nationalist stories in Chinese news reports and textbooks".

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