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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by Dirlewanger »

croon wrote: post #136
humanrebar wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the factual moderate news media It's not a conspiracy. You can have emergent bias as much as planned bias. That's basically the position of various HR departments who offer unconscious bias training. At any rate, every study I've seen has confirmed that most media orgs at least lean left. Have you seen any that disagree?

> At any rate, every study I've seen has confirmed that most media orgs at least lean left 1) Links to studies? 2) Having a leaning in op-eds doesn't mean a bias in facts reported. I'd assume if you have 0 bias there would be no point in lying about facts, but regardless of left-leaning or right-leaning organisations, the real issue is whether you present truth or not.

Politico did a pretty big study on it a couple months back showing that virtually all large outlets are clustered around liberal metropolitan areas. Politico, of all places.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by Angostura »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #144

It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

You say that's leaving is problematic, but is there evidence that these councils have any influence in shaping policy? They look more like ego-boosts for the president: 'I've collected these guys'

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by humanrebar »

zimpenfish wrote: post #171
jacquesm wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I moved from "everyone deserves to be heard out" to "this guy is a bully and a bad person in many other ways". It was clear when he made fun of a man's disability and just grew from there. Ok, I thought it was rather very visible earlier on, such as before he even decided to run for president. > To be fair to the GOP, Trump basically did a hostile takeover with a plurality of the vote on the right against a very fr…

> Ok, I thought it was rather very visible earlier on, such as before he even decided to run for president. Being sued for racial discrimination in 1973 was a pretty big clue. But the birther nonsense should really have tipped everyone off about what was going on.

Good point. I knew he was unqualified well before. I forgot about the birth nonsense when I wrote that lost. I guess I upgraded him from fool to dangerous fool.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by thanatropism »

andriesm wrote: post #170
PakG1 wrote: post #128

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I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major A…

I dunno if Thiel has sway or not, but I thought his short speech at the rnc was riveting and one of the most inspirational messages that really spoke to the time, and of course aimed to reposition the right as pro gay.

His short speech at the RNC was exciting, but too emotional (despite not being emotional in content). I was surprised he was willing to risk the impact to his business reputation while _not_ being able to articulate his case clearly.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by specialist »

pavlov wrote: post #48
bitL wrote: post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

I don't understand the claim that moderates have no voice in the United States. I'm not American, but have spent quite a lot of time in the country. From my point of view, most of the media is moderate left -- and they have a very loud voice indeed. The extreme left exists but has very little visibility compared to France, for example. (That is convenient for right-wing press like Breitbart, because it lets them pain…

There are a few significant factors at play:

#1

Gerrymandering has enabled polarization. Previously, some competition in the general election ("left" vs "right") moderated the candidates.

Now the real election is in party primaries ("right" vs "more right"), which are low turnout events of mostly "the base". Result elected officials have become more extreme.

#2

The money game changed. Tom DeLay and others took control of the campaign contributions funnel. At the same time, cost of running campaigns continues to rapidly increase. So any one who wants to hold office has to kiss the ring.

#3

The resulting polarization has made legislating far more difficult. Best explanation I've read so far is Unorthodox Lawmaking, Rulemaking

http://columbialawreview.org/content/unorthodox-lawmaking-un...

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How do we fix this?

Biggest step is independent redistricting commissions, with citizen oversight (approval). Gerrymandering is mostly incumbent protection schemes. Citizens (voters) hate the result. Support for independent commissions is something like 80/20 (no-brainer).

Next biggest step would be to eliminate the two party system by replacing our winner takes all (FPTP) form of elections with Approval Voting. Cite Duverger's Law. Some people advocate other systems, like proportional representation. Great idea; I think Approval Voting is an easier sell.

Reduce the costs of campaigning. So much we can do here. Restore fairness doctrine, time box campaigning, better GOTV/voter education efforts, unify & simplify voter registration (eg automatic, universal), etc.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by pyroinferno »

jackmott wrote: post #20

the left are mostly moderates. we lost our shit and started sounding like extremists when we elected a nazi as president. I will not apologize for that either.

The man who is best friends with Benjamin Netanyahu and has a Jewish daughter is a Nazi guys, I swear!

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by humanrebar »

croon wrote: post #154
humanrebar wrote: post #97

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Which of those people I listed stoked racial resentment? Can you provide citations? And I think you're ignoring a lot of things the left has been up to. The IRS scandal was a big deal, for example.

> And I think you're ignoring a lot of things the left has been up to. The IRS scandal was a big deal, for example. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy > The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report, which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compare…

There are plenty other examples. I just picked one. The Damore and Eich cases. The professor at the University of Missouri. The assault of Charles Murray.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by sanderjd »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #46

> I am not a politician. I am an engineer who has spent most of his career working in factories that manufacture the world’s most advanced devices. Yet, it is clear even to me that nearly every issue is now politicized to the point where significant progress is impossible. Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue. There's something I can get behind. Angry people have a positive feedback loop,…

Promoting the interests of your own country over those of others is fundamentally political. Perhaps you think it should not be partisan? Otherwise, this is just wrong - trade policy is diplomacy and diplomacy is, always has been, always will be, and must be, political.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by revmoo »

jacquesm wrote: post #117
StevePerkins wrote: post #71

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> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…

> deranged Key word there, also I'm not aware of anybody on the left who even thinks about giving support to that short of action let alone dares to voice it.

Antifa

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by Angostura »

andriesm wrote: post #178
throwawaywonk wrote: post #167

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The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

OP was asserting equivalence between the two groups in terms of violence. The poster you are responding to pointed out that one of the groups came tooled up. This is not a free speech issue.
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