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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by m45t3r » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:03 PM UTC

severino wrote: post #187

Unfortunately, I guess Ubuntu Desktop won't last much, too. Can Canonical make money from that? Nope. They even made their product less appealing when they helped Microsoft run it inside their OS. I always thought Canonical wouldn't be around much longer, and these news seems to confirm that. I'd, as a long time Ubuntu user, miss them.

The great advantage that Ubuntu have by being the most popular Desktop distro is not making money from desktop users. The advantage is that some of those desktop users are also developers, so when they need to deploy their system in Server/Cloud/IoT/whatever, they choose Ubuntu because this is the distro that they developed their application to begin with.

So yeah, desktop is a afterthought for Canonical, however it is still important.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by dal » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:03 PM UTC

AuthenticApe wrote: post #102

dal wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's here already called the Samsung Dex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPegrUMXaA https://news.samsung.com/global/hands-on-8-galaxy-s8-feature...

Kudos to Samsung for the amazing efforts but DeX is far from open.

Of course but I meant that the proprietary version was here.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by anuragsoni » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:03 PM UTC

pacofvf wrote: post #182

m45t3r wrote: post #176

Hope just that Canonical will apply their custom theme on GNOME. As a Arch Linux user, I think that the default GNOME theme is ugly, Unity by default have a much better look.

They should use Cinnamon, or just absorb Mint, that's the most popular distro right now anyway, and it is ubuntu-based.

By which metric? Distrowatch ranking? Their page has this to say

  "The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free operating systems among the visitors of this website. They correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch.com was accessed each day, nothing more." [0]

Wikimedia has completely different numbers. [1]

That being said, I think that we have reached a stage where its become very easy to switch between Linux Distros. I remember 5 years ago when I tried to switch from Ubuntu to something else, It was pretty noticeable (mostly because of font rendering). But these days I think the situation is much better, and I think it really speaks a lot about the progress that has been made on the usability aspect.

[0]http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity

[1]https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOper...

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

#194

Post by walterbell » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:05 PM UTC

dsgsadtsfg wrote: post #184

walterbell wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://neo900.org >The Neo900 project aims to provide a Fremantle (Maemo™ 5) compatible successor to the N900, with a faster CPU, more RAM and an LTE modem. This is all based on a free, mature and stable platform - the GTA04. We'll provide complete, ready-to-use devices, as well as motherboard replacements for your current devices. Most importantly, the Neo900 is an open platform, carrying on in the tradition of the…

A smartphone with a [1 GHz single-core CPU and 1 GB RAM]( http://neo900.org/specs ) for [1000+ EUR]( http://neo900.org/estimate.html )? No, thanks.

It's for those who know the difference between the Nokia N900 and a "smartphone".

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by jeremyjh » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:05 PM UTC

frik wrote: post #136

hd4 wrote: post #125

I'm one of the people who asked for less NIH in Ubuntu in the recent thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821 but I didn't think they would take it this far. Jokes aside, it's sad that Unity won't be developed further. I'm one of the ones who loves Unity 7, it's always been faster and less memory hungry than GNOME or KDE for me. I will just have to cling onto the LTS for as long as possible. In the long-t…

Gnome 2 and KDE 3 were pretty good. Then both shells lost their way. Why do they try to be a bad clone of macOS rather than keep being a Win98 on steriods (KDE 3) or a more simple shell for normal users (Gnome 2).

I think KDE Plasma 5 is really quite good. I switched to it from Unity when I switched to Arch last year. I don't ask for much from a desktop system, but I like how easy it is to customize KDE. I don't think it tries to be OS X at all - seems like a slightly more tasteful Win 7 to me; though I see that in Gnome.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by mikewhy » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:05 PM UTC

vrutkovs wrote: post #91

pkd wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could always use keyboard shortcuts to access the menu. Unity also let you search through the menu items with the Alt key - no manual navigation necessary. I thought that integrated menus are a great idea - even Apple does it. It saves vertical space and looks "at one" with the rest of the system.

GNOME has solved in a radical way by simplifying menus, so you need neither search nor frequent mouse/keyboard navigation. Honestly 'even Apple does it' is a poor argument. If global menu would be a really good and generally accepted idea we'd see it implemented in GNOME and KDE (via extensions at least).

That's great, but not all apps will be able to trim down their menu items. Being able to quickly search all the entries, like in macos / Unity, is a huge help for new users.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by dhruvmittal » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:06 PM UTC

Hopefully now we can all agree on Wayland and start moving a little faster towards {application,driver,etc} support and capabilities.

I feel like Ubuntu's Mir pushing was one of the big things holding back Wayland from widespread support and adoption.

I'd love to dump X without feeling like I'm shooting myself in the foot sometime in the next few years.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by gremlinsinc » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:06 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #173

gerbal wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canonical bending their demonstrated ui talents may just lead to a better Gnome 3 experience.

Do I live in an alternate universe? Do people really think this looks good? http://toastytech.com/guis/ubuntu114defaultunity.jpg

honestly I agree there, but I'm an i3 fanatic, gnome is much better, KDE plasma has a beautiful interface, but being able to do everything via hotkeys, and tile windows is just an amazing thing once you do it for a bit.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by andrewshadura » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:06 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #173

gerbal wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canonical bending their demonstrated ui talents may just lead to a better Gnome 3 experience.

Do I live in an alternate universe? Do people really think this looks good? http://toastytech.com/guis/ubuntu114defaultunity.jpg

Yes it does. It looks much better now anyway, something like this: http://i.imgur.com/DdY4b5O.png

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by BudFox » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:06 PM UTC

The problem was not the vision or community rejection as Mark suggests. It was a failure of mindshare with unpalatable Canonical licensing and suboptimal engagement. These issues are surmountable, but only if Mark / Canonical look within first.