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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by wmf » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:47 PM UTC

mwj wrote: post #144

jononor wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you're competing with Docker images. Not that Docker is that amazing, but I just don't see why anyone would want to use Snap instead of Docker?

Containers are for a completely different use case than system packages.

CoreOS and RancherOS have shown how everything can either be built into the base OS image or running in Docker, with no system packages needed.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by pacofvf » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:50 PM UTC

m45t3r wrote: post #176

Hope just that Canonical will apply their custom theme on GNOME. As a Arch Linux user, I think that the default GNOME theme is ugly, Unity by default have a much better look.

They should use Cinnamon, or just absorb Mint, that's the most popular distro right now anyway, and it is ubuntu-based.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:50 PM UTC

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #101

awinter-py wrote: post #92

All I need graphics for is the web. Build a terminal-only window manager with firefox built in.

Does a tiling window manager like i3 not fit that use case?

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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by dsgsadtsfg » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:54 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #147

ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #18

I get that they're moving away from convergence, but what does this ultimately mean for Ubuntu as a mobile OS? In the grand scheme of things, what does this mean for users who want a completely FOSS stack for their phone (let's ignore the baseband for now)? As far as I can tell, this just means that your only options are Android or iOS. It's not easy to get a Jolla/SailfishOS phone that will work on most Canadian or…

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A smartphone with a [1 GHz single-core CPU and 1 GB RAM](http://neo900.org/specs) for [1000+ EUR](http://neo900.org/estimate.html)?

No, thanks.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by awinter-py » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:56 PM UTC

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #101

awinter-py wrote: post #92

All I need graphics for is the web. Build a terminal-only window manager with firefox built in.

Does a tiling window manager like i3 not fit that use case?

fair point

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by karussell » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:56 PM UTC

Honest question: how is Canonical making money in the cloud with ubuntu?

Everytime someone installs an image with 'Ubuntu' in the name the cloud provider has to pay Canonical? Or what else could be the main revenue stream 'in the cloud'?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by severino » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:58 PM UTC

Unfortunately, I guess Ubuntu Desktop won't last much, too. Can Canonical make money from that? Nope. They even made their product less appealing when they helped Microsoft run it inside their OS.

I always thought Canonical wouldn't be around much longer, and these news seems to confirm that. I'd, as a long time Ubuntu user, miss them.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by BudFox » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:58 PM UTC

The problem was not the vision or community rejection as Mark suggests. It was a failure of mindshare with unpalatable Canonical licensing and suboptimal engagement.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by WD-42 » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:59 PM UTC

pacofvf wrote: post #182

m45t3r wrote: post #176

Hope just that Canonical will apply their custom theme on GNOME. As a Arch Linux user, I think that the default GNOME theme is ugly, Unity by default have a much better look.

They should use Cinnamon, or just absorb Mint, that's the most popular distro right now anyway, and it is ubuntu-based.

Is mint really the most popular distro? According to distrowatch, yes. But my suspicion is that mint users just like to tell everyone they are mint users. The majority of Ubuntu users probably just install it and go on with their lives.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by driverdan » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 9:00 PM UTC

gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

While I agree it'd be nice to have Linux running on all the things I don't see the point of trying to make the interfaces the same. Each device is used differently and should have an interface that reflects the way it's used.