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Google didn't use OpenJDK, they used Apache Harmony implementation
That's true, but the availability of OpenJDK (which, after all, Google have now switched to) weakens Oracle's argument on the "Effect on the market" factor.
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Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#192Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…
On other hand, our SV startup culture is all about making some quick websites and get rich schemes.
So the conclusion is: Oracle is here to stay.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#193Although Oracle denied they bought Sun just to sue Google you have to wonder since they are claiming "billions" in damages and only paid $7.4 billion after IBM dropped their $7.0 billion bid. This purchase was such a seminal moment for the industry you have to wonder what an alternative history would look like if say IBM or Google made the purchase not to mention some dark horses like Amazon or Red hat.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#194Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Languages without a corporate owner.
JavaScript is right out. There's such a mish-mash of API owners there that it will give decades of court cases from copyright trolls. This is one of the most important tech cases in history. Oracle is on a fast-track to destroying the software industry with it.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
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From what I've been told by a contact in their database sales team is that there pipeline for on-premise licenses is drying up quickly but their SaaS business is doing well.
> pipeline for on-premise licenses Sorry for being a grammar nazi, but this one is a serious pet peeve. The singular of "premises" isn't "premise", it's "premises". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premises
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
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That explains a lot about their recent behavior, e.g. dropping Solaris. If everyone is consuming their software over a network, it doesn't matter precisely what it's running on any more (so even if Oracle DBs could scale better on Solaris than on Linux or a BSD, a 1.3x SaaS shared-cluster size costs less than an OS development team.)
They're not dropping Solaris. They're instead changing the release model: https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/entry/oracle_solaris_moving... Personally, I'd say this is similar to Microsoft's decisions around Windows 10.
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Not understanding is fine: assuming that something one doesn't understand must be a slur is not fine.
He didn't assume but presume. And I think that's quite understandable for a non native speaker, given the connotation of the word 'dark'.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
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They absolutely bought Sun just to sue. I used to know someone personally involved on the case. Oracle is a horrible company. To be fair, Google's "don't be evil" is also a bunch of crap. They've done their fair share of shady and exploitive things.
Google wasn't evil, at least not before the IPO (which is when I worked there). People took the slogan seriously and based decisions on it. I don't know what happened.
Then they used that sound infrastructure to do evil with, as they had intended to do all along.
Those people that took the slogan seriously were used.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#200Okay, either I'm crazy or everyone else is. Assuming the court isn't trying to set a new precedent with regards to software it seems like Oracle should have easily won this case. There is an argument to be made that APIs shouldn't be copyrightable but surely it's not fair use -- Google's use of Java doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria.